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VAL Digest         Wednesday, October 8 2003         Volume 01 : Number 029




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] Not an Airstream, but...
RE: [VAL] What is tube for?
Re: [VAL] What is tube for?
RE: [VAL] Townsend Toilet - '66 Caravel
[VAL] Towing with a car
[VAL] Battery Compartments, Venting, Etc.
Re: [VAL] What is tube for?
Re: [VAL] Towing with a car
Re: [VAL] Towing with a car
Re: [VAL] Towing with a car
Re: [VAL] Towing with a car
Re: [VAL] Towing with a car
Re: [VAL] Towing with a car

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:39:37 -0400
From: "Jim Wallace \(Wally\)" <maltnhops@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Not an Airstream, but...

 This "custom" cruiser is not an Airstream, but it is aluminum.  It's worth a
look.  Sorry if this is too "off-topic".

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6152&item=2
436036513

Enjoy,
Wally
'64 Safari, Mavis
'66 Caravel, Percy
WBCCI 23618
VAC

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:29:29 -0600
From: "Jim Cooper" <jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] What is tube for?

Jim S.

I sure would like to see a picture of Tradewind tongue.  The propane
tanks and mounts for the leveling bars don't leave much room on my TW.
I could easily move the battery outside without the leveling bar mounts,
but I don't want to give up the bars.  It can still be done, but will
require more work.

Best Regards,
   Jim
 
   jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com
   
 

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> On Behalf Of JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:50 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] What is tube for?
> 
> The extra weight on the tounge should make the trailer track better. I
> installed a 240lb generatot + a6gal gas tank on the toung of my
Tradewind
> It never
> trailed as good it tracked perfectly on a 7000 trip without any sway
bars.
> Jim Smith
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:16:43 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] What is tube for?

My dad mounted a battery tray on pipes that don't interfere with the
load equalizing bar mounts. That's on a '68 Caravel. Pictures on my web
page http://homepages.isunet.net/geraldj The battery box holding a 27
deep cycle battery is a snug fit between the propane tanks and the front
of the trailer. He removed the spare tire carrier to make room for the
battery and we carry the trailer spare in the truck bed alongside the
truck spare.

Gerald J.
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Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:35:13 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] Townsend Toilet - '66 Caravel

http://vintageairstream.com/rr_topics_toilet.html
ought to give you an idea what you are looking at.  As for the pedestal
material, it didn't strike me as a material you would want to be
drilling.
Best of luck,
RJ
(heading off to the Russian River Rally tomorrow)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: maltnhops@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:maltnhops@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 8:03 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Townsend Toilet - '66 Caravel
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>   I have some questions regarding the Townsend toilet in my
> Caravel.   I have
> been successful removing the bowl from the pedestal, but the
> pedestal is still
> attached to the floor.
>
> Problem #1 - The flange bolt in the front of the pedestal and
> under the foot
> pedal has been cut off just above the nut to allow full
> operation of the foot
> pedal.  How in the world can I get this nut off?  Does the flange have
> "keyhole" type openings that would allow me to twist the
> pedestal and release
> that bolt?  Once I finally get it out, is there a better bolt
> I can use that
> will allow full movement of the pedal?
>
> Problem #2 - One of the four bolts holding the bowl on the
> pedestal was rusted
> badly.  I was lucky to get three nuts removed, but the rusted
> bolt snapped
> off.  Can these bolts be removed from and replaced in the
> pedestal?  What
> material is the pedestal made of?  Can it be drilled?  Has
> anyone dealt with
> this problem?  What did you do?

> -Wally

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:42:43 -0700
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Towing with a car

I would like your opinions as to the suitability of towing a 1979 23' 
Safari, with a gross weight of 5,800 lbs, with a 1977 Lincoln 
Continental.  The car has a 460 ci engine.  I realize that additional 
equipment such as hitch and transmission cooler will be required.  But I 
would like to know if the list believes that the car will tow the 
trailer without problems.  I know some of you tow with cars of this 
vintage.

Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI 5223
1979 23' Safari
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
Looking for a Lincoln Continental
Orange, CA

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:41:29 EDT
From: fruitbat54@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Battery Compartments, Venting, Etc.

The battery compartment in my '77 Tradewind was completely missing when I 
acquired it.  The battery was just sitting on the floor, out in the open.  The 
original exterior battery door was intact, below the front window, but the 
inside opening was covered with a piece of aluminum sheet rivited over the hole.  

I ended up building a U-shaped dinette in the front of the coach, with a 
battery/charge controller compartment under the front seat.  While I was building 
the dinette, I discovered a couple of interesting features remaining from the 
original construction.  The first was a screen-covered hole in the floor, and 
the second was a cast aluminum vent on the exterior, below the front window.  
Once I removed the non-original  pieces of aluminum sheet from the interior, 
below the front window, it was clear that these features were part of an 
original venting system for the battery.  I suppose that the floor opening was the 
inlet and the wall opening was the outlet.  

The compartment in my dinette seat can accomodate up to 3 batteries (only one 
in there now) and I supplemented the venting system with a small, low-flow 
fan that draws air from the floor opening and forces it out the vent below the 
window.   The batteries themselves are enclosed in plastic battery boxes from 
Walmart that are strapped to the floor.  The boxes won't do anything for 
venting, but they will contain any spills. 

My battery compartment is not sealed but the venting system should prevent 
any build-up of fumes.  Here's a link to some photos of the dinette that show 
some of the vent details.  

http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b352bf4325ea

Lincoln Soule
'77 Tradewind

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:28:12 EDT
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] What is tube for?

sorry hit the wrong button this should do it let me know my 1st attempt to 
send photos.
Jim

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of MVC-006S.411]

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:31:52 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing with a car

The Lincoln Continental owner's manual probably has the best answer. A
460 CI engine in a truck will haul 15 or 20 tons. But has the right gear
ratios. If its saddled with a very low ratio (like 2.75:1) rear axle,
its only good for high speed with a light load, not for trailer towing.
I have an old 1 ton Ford truck with a 390 ci engine and a 5.13 rear
axle. Its not very fast, but it will pull. 13,200 pounds behind it in
the summer time doesn't even warm it up. If that 460 had a 3.50 rear
axle it would pull your load. Fuel economy might not be great. My 1 ton
gets 9 mpg loaded or empty, drops to 8 if I drive it at 60 mph.

Earlier Lincolns I believe had a unibody, no frame, which makes it more
than a little difficult to attach a sturdy hitch. And you need a good
hitch to haul 5800 pounds.

Gerald J.
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Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:13:28 -0700
From: "bob" <bovi@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing with a car

Have towed 64 overland with a 71 Mark 3 (4 adults on board) many miles with
no problem. Only change was truck rear springs. Bob

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:57:05 -0700
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing with a car

Dr. Johnson,

The 1961 to 1969 suicide door Lincolns are unibody in 1970 they changed 
to frame and body.  I also have a 1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon with a 360 
and 4.10 axles.  The mileage is 9 on the freeway unloaded and 7 to 8 
with the trailer.  I am looking for something with more comfort, when I 
don't need the truck.

Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI #5223
1979 23' Safari
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
Orange, CA

Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer wrote:

>The Lincoln Continental owner's manual probably has the best answer. A
>460 CI engine in a truck will haul 15 or 20 tons. But has the right gear
>ratios. If its saddled with a very low ratio (like 2.75:1) rear axle,
>its only good for high speed with a light load, not for trailer towing.
>I have an old 1 ton Ford truck with a 390 ci engine and a 5.13 rear
>axle. Its not very fast, but it will pull. 13,200 pounds behind it in
>the summer time doesn't even warm it up. If that 460 had a 3.50 rear
>axle it would pull your load. Fuel economy might not be great. My 1 ton
>gets 9 mpg loaded or empty, drops to 8 if I drive it at 60 mph.
>
>Earlier Lincolns I believe had a unibody, no frame, which makes it more
>than a little difficult to attach a sturdy hitch. And you need a good
>hitch to haul 5800 pounds.
>
>Gerald J.

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:51:06 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing with a car

So what does the Lincoln owner's manual rate it for towing? Does it rate
it for towing?

The frame makes hitch attachment much easier.

Gerald J.
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Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:13:17 -0700
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing with a car

I haven' t purchased the car.  My experience with older cars and trucks 
is that the owners manual does not discuss trailer capacity in any 
detail if it mentions is at all.  The owners manual for my 1973 Dodge 
states that you should not tow more than 75% of the trucks weight.  I 
don't know if that is gross weight or curb weight.  I have called Ford 
andt they are researching the question.



Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer wrote:

>So what does the Lincoln owner's manual rate it for towing? Does it rate
>it for towing?
>
>The frame makes hitch attachment much easier.
>
>Gerald J.

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:58:08 -0400
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing with a car

I have towed my 4500 to 5000 pound Overlander with a couple of different '73
Chryslers. One had a 400, the other a 440. I have no idea what the gear
ratio was, but I do know that neither one came from the factory with a
towing option. Both cars did reasonably well, but we were in the flatlands
of the midwest. If your Lincoln is in top condition I would imagine that it
could handle your trailer.

I just remembered that I have a brochure put out by Airstream that gives the
towing capacities of '77 & '78 cars. They list the Continental with the 460
engine and 3.00 rear axle as having a 6000# capacity. "Cooling and
suspension" options were recommended.

Scott
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Kerfoot" <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>

> I would like your opinions as to the suitability of towing a 1979 23'
> Safari, with a gross weight of 5,800 lbs, with a 1977 Lincoln
> Continental.  The car has a 460 ci engine.

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