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VAL Digest Saturday, May 15 2004 Volume 01 : Number 248
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] new water heater
[VAL] used fabric from 69 safari
Re: [VAL] new water heater
Re: [VAL] Shock Absorber/Brake refit
[VAL] Henschen replacement axles
Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
Re: [VAL] Shock Absorber/Brake refit
Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
[VAL] Re: Vintage ceiling light
RE: [VAL] new water heater
Re: [VAL] black water valve repair
Re: [VAL] black water valve repair
Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
Re: [VAL] black water valve repair
Re: [VAL] Re: Vintage ceiling light
[VAL] Vintage Advantage
Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:24:12 EDT
From: Njgardensnosale@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] new water heater
Hi Streamers
my 30year old Bowen water heater is leaking, so looks like IM going to have
to replace it
Is the Atwood 10 gal is my only choice for replacement? If so does any one
have a cheap source
Parts for the Bowen 10 gal will be avalibe it still works fine, just leaking
E-mail me if you need a part
Thanks in advance Thomas
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:25:18 EDT
From: KELLEYMT@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] used fabric from 69 safari
We've completed renovation of our 69 Safari, including the recovering of the
upholstery. Could anyone use the old fabric? Ours was the green and blue
striped. It is very worn in spots, and in pretty good shape in others. We had
planned to throw it away, but thought before doing so, I'd offer it for the cost of
shipping to anyone who might have a need for it. Please note, it is not in
good enough condition to use as a complete replacement. There are, however,
significantly large pieces that are in pretty good shape and would be ideal for a
patch or repair. We have the two couch model (not the dinette). Thanks!
Molly Kelley
1969 23' Safari
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 07:32:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Birdsong <tbirddog7@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] new water heater
Try tankless.you'll be glad you did.Tom B.
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:45:50 -0700
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Shock Absorber/Brake refit
> Many Airstream vertical shock applications use the shortest available
> shocks with loop ends. Turns out that particular size was very popular
> on the fronts of GM cars and pickups in the 70s which makes them easy to
> find. You could take your old ones to the parts store and compare them
> to the sizes available, the shock books do have tables with the
> diameter, closed length and stroke listed. The NAPA/Monroe #94005 is a
> decent gas shock that fits many Airstreams with vertical shocks. And
> fits all those Chevys and pickups.
Dr. G,
I had a look at Monroe #94005 when I was searching for shocks for my 59
Ambassador and found them to be larger in diameter than the Monroe #55850
that I finally purchased. I was concerned that #94005 shock would rub on the
chassis. Overall length of #94005 was the same as #55850 as well. I also
checked the length of the shocks on my 66 Safari and they appear to be the
same as what was originally on the 59 Ambassador (leaf spring suspension) so
I would imagine #55850 would also fit vertical shocked Henshen Axled
trailers as well.
I also replaced the complete electric brake assembly on the 59 Ambassador at
the same time. After quite a bit of research and comparing my axles with
what is available today, along with current weight ratings, I discovered the
following:
Modern 3500 lb axles are 2 3/8" dia and have 10" dia drums with 2 1/2 "
wide shoes. Some of these drums are available with six studs which match
the Airstream wheel however many are five stud.
Modern 6000 lb axles are 3" dia and have 12" dia drums with 2" wide shoes.
My 59 Ambassador has 2 1/2" dia axle which I am assuming was the 3500 lb
axle standard back in 59, however it also has 12" dia drums with 2" wide
shoes. I didn't really want to downsize my brakes even if current axle
ratings use smaller components. I took a chance and ordered Dexter 6000 lb
brake assembly/backing plates from www.rigidhitch.com pt# 23-106 (rh
side) and pt# 23-105 (lh side) and they bolted right onto my vintage axles
without any modifications at all. The center hole, bolt pattern fit the drop
axle flange and offset matched perfectly with the original Airstream drum.
With these brakes on a tandem axle trailer weighing in dry at only 3700 lbs
along with the tow vehicle rated at 8600 gvwr, this rig will pretty much
stop on a dime. I have been very pleased with my choices.
Hopefully this helps out others with their brake & shock............. woes.
Colin
PS If anyone is interested in photos of the conversion, email me off list
and I'll send you the "before" & "after"
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:43:10 -0600
From: "phelock" <phelock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
Hello,
Have any of you replaced the axles on a 1966 Trade Wind with new axles from
Henschen?
Did you experience any mounting problems?
I want to replace mine, and I do not want to have to make any modification to
make the new one fit. I want to remove the old, and bolt on the new.
Your input is appreciated.
Curtis
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:22:15 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
While the Dexter axle doesn't automatically come made to fit, the option
of a parking brake and half the price of the Henschen's makes it
interesting. Buying the Dexter axle does require some careful
measurement and probably the drilling of a hole or two in the axle
mounting plate at each end of each axle.
Gerald J.
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:22:04 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Shock Absorber/Brake refit
Good practical information. Many times the original brake makers have
been out of business 20 years and the after market parts makers have
given up making spare parts or "universal" parts don't fit.
Its possible that the brake plate bolt pattern is set by an SAE standard
so that brake plates will interchange.
Gerald J.
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:28:11 -0500
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
Just replaced my 69 caravel's. No modifications needed.
Dan
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From: "phelock" <phelock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 9:43 AM
Subject: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
> Hello,
>
> Have any of you replaced the axles on a 1966 Trade Wind with new axles
from
> Henschen?
>
> Did you experience any mounting problems?
>
> I want to replace mine, and I do not want to have to make any modification
to
> make the new one fit. I want to remove the old, and bolt on the new.
>
> Your input is appreciated.
>
> Curtis
>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:40:38 -0600
From: "phelock" <phelock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
thanks.
curtis
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:41:05 -0600
From: "phelock" <phelock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
thanks,
curtis
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:07:01 -0400
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Vintage ceiling light
Hey Colin!
Do you still have that 50's ceiling fixture that we talked about? If
so, and still want to part with it, what are the dimensions? It bothers
me walking into the trailer and first sight is of the replacement coil
fixture.
Patti
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:21:51 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <timshephard@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] new water heater
I replaced my bowen with a atwood. Although both were six gallons.
I am happy with the results.
You can see some info on what I did on my website.
http://www.ldservice.com/tim/airstream/wacky_water_heater.htm
- -Tim
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Njgardensnosale@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 7:24 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] new water heater
Hi Streamers
my 30year old Bowen water heater is leaking, so looks like IM going to have
to replace it
Is the Atwood 10 gal is my only choice for replacement? If so does any one
have a cheap source
Parts for the Bowen 10 gal will be avalibe it still works fine, just leaking
E-mail me if you need a part
Thanks in advance Thomas
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:23:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: WANDA NELSON <wandaa@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] black water valve repair
Could anyone out there send us the address tro obtain
a West Marine catalog?
Barrows
'58 Airstream
55 GMC Truck
- --- Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
> West Marine will be happy to mail you anything in
> their catalogue. I
> look at it more than the Camping World catalogue to
> tell the
> truth....and if you dig around on the internet,
> there are some great
> marine supply places that sell for less than West
> Marine.
>
> Daisy
>
> Glyn Judson wrote:
>
> > Gerald and all,
> >
> > FYI, West Marine (or any other chandler worth
> his salt) carry 18-8
> > stainless T-nuts. The price for them on page 59
> in the 2004 West Marine
> > Catalog is $2.99 each for #10's and $3.49 each for
> 14-20's, a bit pricey but
> > for a one shot buy, might be worth the convenience
> if near a chandler.
> >
> > Glyn Judson
> > 1969 Caravel
> > Santa Monica CA
> >
> >
> >>From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer"
> <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> >>Organization: Gerald N. Johnson
> >>Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> >>Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:02:37 -0500
> >>To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> >>Subject: Re: [VAL] black water valve repair
> >>
> >>The slab base nuts aren't coupling nuts. They are
> a ready made
> >>alternative to machining the coupling nuts. They
> are like T nuts used in
> >>woodworking without the prongs and with the base
> clipped to make the
> >>slab base and from McMaster-Carr they come in
> stainless steel. They are
> >>intended to be welded into channels for some
> specific application.
> >>Modified T nuts could be used but they will rust
> rapidly in that
> >>particular environment and leave a mess worse than
> epoxy. Look up the
> >>stainless steel slab nuts on www.mcmaster.com by
> the part number I gave
> >>which was for 1/4-20 and you will see the page
> with the available sizes.
> >>
> >>Gerald J.
> >>--
> >>Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson,
> electrical engineer.
> >>Reproduction by permission only.
> >>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:49:33 -0700
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] black water valve repair
Barrows?,
Go to http://mastercatalog04.westmarine.com/intro2.asp to see the
catalog on line. If you call them, they'll mail one to you. Or can you do
that on line, I didn't look.
Good luck,
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel
Santa Monica CA
> From: WANDA NELSON <wandaa@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:23:19 -0700 (PDT)
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] black water valve repair
>
> Could anyone out there send us the address tro obtain
> a West Marine catalog?
>
> Barrows
> '58 Airstream
> 55 GMC Truck
> --- Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>> West Marine will be happy to mail you anything in
>> their catalogue. I
>> look at it more than the Camping World catalogue to
>> tell the
>> truth....and if you dig around on the internet,
>> there are some great
>> marine supply places that sell for less than West
>> Marine.
>>
>> Daisy
>>
>> Glyn Judson wrote:
>>
>>> Gerald and all,
>>>
>>> FYI, West Marine (or any other chandler worth
>> his salt) carry 18-8
>>> stainless T-nuts. The price for them on page 59
>> in the 2004 West Marine
>>> Catalog is $2.99 each for #10's and $3.49 each for
>> 14-20's, a bit pricey but
>>> for a one shot buy, might be worth the convenience
>> if near a chandler.
>>>
>>> Glyn Judson
>>> 1969 Caravel
>>> Santa Monica CA
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer"
>> <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>>>> Organization: Gerald N. Johnson
>>>> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:02:37 -0500
>>>> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [VAL] black water valve repair
>>>>
>>>> The slab base nuts aren't coupling nuts. They are
>> a ready made
>>>> alternative to machining the coupling nuts. They
>> are like T nuts used in
>>>> woodworking without the prongs and with the base
>> clipped to make the
>>>> slab base and from McMaster-Carr they come in
>> stainless steel. They are
>>>> intended to be welded into channels for some
>> specific application.
>>>> Modified T nuts could be used but they will rust
>> rapidly in that
>>>> particular environment and leave a mess worse than
>> epoxy. Look up the
>>>> stainless steel slab nuts on www.mcmaster.com by
>> the part number I gave
>>>> which was for 1/4-20 and you will see the page
>> with the available sizes.
>>>>
>>>> Gerald J.
>>>> --
>>>> Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson,
>> electrical engineer.
>>>> Reproduction by permission only.
>>>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:32:50 -0400
From: "Joy Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
Hi Curtis,
You most likely already found out that any Henchen axle over 25 years old
must come from Inland RV. Andy has the specifics for each vintage axle and
Henchen makes it to his specifications. Should be a bolt in with no
modifications. However, I've read where the shock mount tab might be
missing and/or in a different location.
I chose to buy the Dexter for my '69 Safari, upped the weight by 10 percent,
ordered a 32 degree start down angle, and the parking brake. The parking
brake is not an option for Henchen that I know of.
I've yet to get some help to install the new axle, but my measurements
suggest that I will use one of the existing Henchen mounting holes and drill
the second hole to match the Dexter pre-drilled hole.
One day, I'll report the outcome to the list!
Regards, '69 Safari, Joy
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:59:13 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] black water valve repair
http://www.westmarine.com/
WANDA NELSON wrote:
> Could anyone out there send us the address tro obtain
> a West Marine catalog?
>
> Barrows
> '58 Airstream
> 55 GMC Truck
> --- Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>
>>West Marine will be happy to mail you anything in
>>their catalogue. I
>>look at it more than the Camping World catalogue to
>>tell the
>>truth....and if you dig around on the internet,
>>there are some great
>>marine supply places that sell for less than West
>>Marine.
>>
>>Daisy
>>
>>Glyn Judson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Gerald and all,
>>>
>>> FYI, West Marine (or any other chandler worth
>>
>>his salt) carry 18-8
>>
>>>stainless T-nuts. The price for them on page 59
>>
>>in the 2004 West Marine
>>
>>>Catalog is $2.99 each for #10's and $3.49 each for
>>
>>14-20's, a bit pricey but
>>
>>>for a one shot buy, might be worth the convenience
>>
>>if near a chandler.
>>
>>> Glyn Judson
>>> 1969 Caravel
>>> Santa Monica CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer"
>>
>><geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>>
>>>>Organization: Gerald N. Johnson
>>>>Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>>>Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:02:37 -0500
>>>>To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [VAL] black water valve repair
>>>>
>>>>The slab base nuts aren't coupling nuts. They are
>>
>>a ready made
>>
>>>>alternative to machining the coupling nuts. They
>>
>>are like T nuts used in
>>
>>>>woodworking without the prongs and with the base
>>
>>clipped to make the
>>
>>>>slab base and from McMaster-Carr they come in
>>
>>stainless steel. They are
>>
>>>>intended to be welded into channels for some
>>
>>specific application.
>>
>>>>Modified T nuts could be used but they will rust
>>
>>rapidly in that
>>
>>>>particular environment and leave a mess worse than
>>
>>epoxy. Look up the
>>
>>>>stainless steel slab nuts on www.mcmaster.com by
>>
>>the part number I gave
>>
>>>>which was for 1/4-20 and you will see the page
>>
>>with the available sizes.
>>
>>>>Gerald J.
>>>>--
>>>>Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson,
>>
>>electrical engineer.
>>
>>>>Reproduction by permission only.
>>>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:58:36 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Vintage ceiling light
Patti,
Which light fixture are you looking for? I have one from my Trade Wind
that's in great shape.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT
on 5/14/04 10:07 AM, Patricia V. Raimondo at praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> Hey Colin!
>
> Do you still have that 50's ceiling fixture that we talked about? If
> so, and still want to part with it, what are the dimensions? It bothers
> me walking into the trailer and first sight is of the replacement coil
> fixture.
>
> Patti
>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 20:15:22 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Vintage Advantage
All you lucky subscribers & members, the latest Vintage Advantage, the
magazine of the Vintage Airstream Club, is in the mail!
What you aren't a member ? And you're on this list ? You are missing all
the fun! Vintage events are the most fun you can have. If you just want
to get the newsletter, you can do that too.
Go here:
http://www.airstream.net/index.html
You can download an application and send it off, so you'll be all ready
for the next issue!
Daisy (subscriber goddess)
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:27:15 -0600
From: "phelock" <phelock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Henschen replacement axles
Thanks,
Curtis
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