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VAL Digest           Friday, October 3 2003           Volume 01 : Number 024




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] VAC Classifieds
Re: [VAL] solar
[VAL] Belly Pan Material 56 Caravanner
RE: [VAL] Belly Pan Material 56 Caravanner
Re: [VAL] solar
Fw: [VAL] Aluminum honeycomb flooring
RE: [VAL] window glass
Re: [VAL] solar
Re: [VAL] window glass
[VAL] Notice: VAC Classifieds
[VAL] re: glass replacement
Re: [VAL] window glass
[VAL] Quick, what size wheels ?
Re: [VAL] Quick, what size wheels ?
[VAL] '66 Caravel Furnace removal
[VAL] model and year
[VAL] 65 Overlander progress report
Re: [VAL] model and year

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 00:44:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] VAC Classifieds

Just wanted to spread the word that the VAC
Classifieds will be down for about 24 hours while I
apply some changes and update the software.

all information that has been entered (registrations
and ads placed etc.) will be restored with the
updates.

Thank you for your patience and your feedback on the
new classifieds!

Toby Folwick
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 05:00:33 -0700
From: Rik & Susan Beeson <rik@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] solar

Joann,

That's a great fridge. No venting required, interior air just needs to 
circulate over the coils like a home fridge. It adds a bit of heat to 
the interior of your coach, as does your fridge at home... our cat likes 
it in front of ours. If you have room for the extra insulation, it will 
really help your power usage. And you will love your Honda genny -- I 
love mine, anyway. Get two batteries (as someone else suggested), deep 
cycle for sure, and you'll be in great shape, with or without the solar 
panel. The generator does in a few minutes what it takes a solar panel 
all day to do. Especially the UniSolar flexible panels, which are 32 
watts max, IIRC. But I love them anyway -- I am putting a couple on my 
A/S motorhome to keep the batteries topped up. That little LeSharo I 
mentioned had one, and that puppy always started instantly, thanks to an 
always-full battery.

Best regards,

Rik

Joann Wheatley wrote:

> Riv:
>   My frig is made by Novakool, a Canadian, BC outfit. It is 
> specifically for RV's and folks who are off the grid. It is 12v only 
> and uses the new "freon" that autos use. It supposedly uses 3 amp/day 
> or half that if installed with extra foam insulation. I'm not sure 
> about venting - I'll check on that. Thanks for the encouragement. If 
> it doesn't work out, meaning that the batteries can't keep up with it 
> with the help of the generator (Honda EU2000), I'll put a couple of 
> solar panels up - probably the flexible ones. 'We have a local company 
> that will order them and install them. That's the plan.
> On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 01:31 AM, Rik & Susan Beeson wrote:
>
>> Joann, Did you get an RV type fridge that works on either gas or 
>> 12-volt, or a 12-volt-only freon-type fridge? What brand is it? I had 
>> a 12-volt fridge in a little LeSharo motorhome, and it was the 
>> berries. Cooled down real quick (ice in 90 minutes) and did not use 
>> NEARLY the juice that the resistance heater in a gas/electric RV 
>> fridge uses. Also (and this was the reason they used it), it required 
>> NO venting. That means NO holes in your rig for the fridge. There is 
>> something to be said for that, particularly with a trailer that 
>> didn't originally come with a gas fridge.
>>
>> Chris, where did you get those panels? The place you indicated didn't 
>> know what I was talking about.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Rik
>>
>>
>> Joann Wheatley wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Dean but it's about 10 days too late. I ordered it by phone 
>>> and MC and it is in transit as we speak. So, here will be some first 
>>> hand mistake/knowledge in the making. I'm sure I've made some other 
>>> weird choices: a 2-burner cast iron stove top (fishing shack), an 
>>> on-demand water heater...Oh well, I also bought a Citroen in 1970 
>>> and have had 3 British sports cars, I married a computer geek (that 
>>> was 36 yrs ago and wildly successful), and other stuff like that. I 
>>> don't know why I do it.
>>> Jo Ann
>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 01:47 PM, dean wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please ReThink your 12 Volt refrig.  They just don't work and they 
>>>> will take your Batteries down
>>>> fast.
>>>> Stay with the Propane gas models   Don't take my word,  check with 
>>>> others on this too.
>>>> Dean
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 11:50  AM, Joann Wheatley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris - could you describe how you installed the flexible panels 
>>>>> in a little more detail or maybe a picture? Do they just keep your 
>>>>> battery(s) charged and then you run stuff off the battery? I have 
>>>>> a 12v refrig on order and am still a little concerned that the 
>>>>> generator alone is not going to keep my Bubble's 12v battery (just 
>>>>> one) charged when not on shore power although I won't have a 
>>>>> microwave, hair dryer etc just lights and water pump on electric; 
>>>>> no AC either.
>>>>> jw

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:38:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: kevinchop@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] Belly Pan Material 56 Caravanner

RJ,

Great stuff thank you. 

On the belly pan .024 2024-T3 do you have a sorce that I can get this in a 4' x 24'  pieces?

Kevin & Valerie Chop
#5585

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kevinchop@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:kevinchop@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:16 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] 1956/7 Caravanner
>
> RJ,
> Thanks once again for your input.  We removed the shell from
> the frame/floor this past weekend.  Heavy is an
> understatement.  I was surprised to find that the floor of
> this 1956/7 unit has 5/8" plywood.  I have had to retract my
> order for 3/4" plywood and change it to 5/8"  What year did
> Airstream go to 3/4"?

I don't think older Airstream ever used 3/4" plywood.  Maybe somewhere I
mentioned 3/4" spacers?  That was to make it easier to slide the plywood
under the C Channels.

>
> You mentioned installing a holding tank/s between the frames
> (over the axle) are you speaking about a fresh water holding
> tank?  I was planning on installing Black water above the
> floor (like my 76 tradewind), a gray water behind the axle
> and a freshwater???? somewhere???? Do you recommend
> installing a fresh water over the axle?  If yes do you
> recommend any particular type?

Based upon floorplan and preferences, you can place them most anywhere.
The usual locations are freshwater above the floor in the front under
the sofa or dinette.
Waste tanks can go above the floor with the toilet on top, or below the
floor (but they stick out below the belly skin). Best install I've seen
is a hybrid: the toilet sitting on top of a 10" tank supported by straps
under the frames, brackets on the frames themselves, and by a flange
where the tank came up through the subfloor.  It was covered with a
welded stainless shower plan, but you could use molded fiberglass too.
As for graywater, they have to go below the level of the shower floor
drain.  Secondly, you can't drain the shower direct into the tank (one
guy I know did - smelly!) You need a trap before it goes into the tank.
If the shower sat flat on the floor, that would mean that the tank would
be dragging on the ground.  Obvious solution is to have the shower floor
raised too, with the trap entering the top side of a tank that is
supported just as I mentioned above for the waste tank hybrid.  In the
'56 Flying Cloud, the design I came up with is the shower floor is an
extension of the stainless steel raised floor for the toilet.  While the
waste tank will be a rectangle and occupy one bay on the streetside
under the bathroom, the gray water will be a long shallow tank in the
bay forward of it right aft of the axle, stretching across the trailer
to the other side between the floor and frame bottom to spread the
weight to the other side. The tank will have a square riser section
under the shower bottom and above the long section, kinda like a:
                                                   _____
                               ___________________|     |
                               |________________________|

Sources:
http://www.incaplastics.com/  (made the original airstream tanks)
http://www.all-rite.com/ (custom tanks)

The above are local to me, but you may find other custom tank makers in
your area. You really need to watch the total weight of these things and
avoid the tempatation to put in large capacity tanks.  A 10 gal waste,
25-30 gal fresh and 15 gal gray is probably the limit.  Consider that
the originals were 12 gal fresh, 5 gal waste and no gray tanks, that is
a big improvement, but still requires conservation practices.  I think a
lot a modern RV'es are spoiled with their 40 gal fresh and 30/30 dump
tanks...

>
> Q: What type / thickness of aluminum should I use to replace
> the belly pan?
>

.024 2024-T3 is good choice.

> Thank you.
> Kevin & Valerie Chop
>

Best of luck,
RJ
VintageAirstream.com

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:46:17 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] Belly Pan Material 56 Caravanner

http://airparts.com

RJ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kevinchop@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:kevinchop@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:39 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Belly Pan Material 56 Caravanner
>
>
> RJ,
>
> Great stuff thank you.
>
> On the belly pan .024 2024-T3 do you have a sorce that I can
> get this in a 4' x 24'  pieces?
>
> Kevin & Valerie Chop
> #5585

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:57:50 -0400
From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] solar

Rik ,
try blair @solarwindsnorthernlights , he`s the east coast branch , thats
where I got mine .
Chris
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Rik & Susan Beeson wrote:

> Chris, where did you get those panels? The place you indicated didn't
> know what I was talking about.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rik
>
> Joann Wheatley wrote:
>
> > Thanks Dean but it's about 10 days too late. I ordered it by phone and
> > MC and it is in transit as we speak. So, here will be some first hand
> > mistake/knowledge in the making. I'm sure I've made some other weird
> > choices: a 2-burner cast iron stove top (fishing shack), an on-demand
> > water heater...Oh well, I also bought a Citroen in 1970 and have had 3
> > British sports cars, I married a computer geek (that was 36 yrs ago
> > and wildly successful), and other stuff like that. I don't know why I
> > do it.
> > Jo Ann
> > On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 01:47 PM, dean wrote:
> >
> >> Please ReThink your 12 Volt refrig.  They just don't work and they
> >> will take your Batteries down
> >> fast.
> >> Stay with the Propane gas models   Don't take my word,  check with
> >> others on this too.
> >> Dean
> >>
> >> On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 11:50  AM, Joann Wheatley wrote:
> >>
> >>> Chris - could you describe how you installed the flexible panels in
> >>> a little more detail or maybe a picture? Do they just keep your
> >>> battery(s) charged and then you run stuff off the battery? I have a
> >>> 12v refrig on order and am still a little concerned that the
> >>> generator alone is not going to keep my Bubble's 12v battery (just
> >>> one) charged when not on shore power although I won't have a
> >>> microwave, hair dryer etc just lights and water pump on electric; no
> >>> AC either.
> >>> jw
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:12:36 -0700
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Fw: [VAL] Aluminum honeycomb flooring

Tom messaged me that the message below got 'bounced' for some reason... here
it is again:

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From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Aluminum honeycomb flooring


I've been trying to locate a source/supply of Boeing or similar surplus
honeycomb panels for a new floor for the Trailwind for about three years...
haven't actually found any yet, though. I've had several good leads, though,
and adding this one to the list. Still awfully pricey, though. I think Jim
Smith sent me a suggestion awhile back for some marine-grade material used
in lightweight 'cigarette-boat' manufacture that looks really good. This
aluminum stuff looks good, too.

Tuna
Reno, NV
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Toby Folwick" <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Aluminum honeycomb flooring

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:58:34 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] window glass

Chuck,
Be sure to remove all the Digest if you 'reply' back to it - you'll see
what I mean when you get tomorrows Digest...

As for replacement panes, the standard is single strength (3/32")
glass, used from the 1930's to 1980's in the all except the 1966-1968
side windows.  In 35 years of trailer travel, we've never lost a window
to breakage, and the clarity over time still can't be matched by
acrylic/lexan replacements.  The glass on the '56 Flying Cloud, once
cleaned up, is still crystal clear.
Best of luck,
RJ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: chuckschmitz@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com [mailto:chuckschmitz@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:12 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] window glass
>
>
> I have an 18 foot 59 traveler and I need to replace some
> window panes. They
> have Plexiglas in them now. What do folks recommend as a replacement?
>
> Chuck Schmitz
> 59 traveler Kansas City
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: VAL Digest V1 #21

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:23:11 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] solar

Thanks Rik:
     I will make room for the extra insulation and hopefully, all the 
stuff still on order will have arrived by Nov when I return from 
fishing. I really appreciate your encouraging words, and the skies are 
not cloudy all day......
Jo Ann
On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 05:00 AM, Rik & Susan Beeson wrote:

> Joann,
>
> That's a great fridge. No venting required, interior air just needs to 
> circulate over the coils like a home fridge. It adds a bit of heat to 
> the interior of your coach, as does your fridge at home... our cat 
> likes it in front of ours. If you have room for the extra insulation, 
> it will really help your power usage. And you will love your Honda 
> genny -- I love mine, anyway. Get two batteries (as someone else 
> suggested), deep cycle for sure, and you'll be in great shape, with or 
> without the solar panel. The generator does in a few minutes what it 
> takes a solar panel all day to do. Especially the UniSolar flexible 
> panels, which are 32 watts max, IIRC. But I love them anyway -- I am 
> putting a couple on my A/S motorhome to keep the batteries topped up. 
> That little LeSharo I mentioned had one, and that puppy always started 
> instantly, thanks to an always-full battery.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rik
>
> Joann Wheatley wrote:
>
>> Riv:
>>   My frig is made by Novakool, a Canadian, BC outfit. It is 
>> specifically for RV's and folks who are off the grid. It is 12v only 
>> and uses the new "freon" that autos use. It supposedly uses 3 amp/day 
>> or half that if installed with extra foam insulation. I'm not sure 
>> about venting - I'll check on that. Thanks for the encouragement. If 
>> it doesn't work out, meaning that the batteries can't keep up with it 
>> with the help of the generator (Honda EU2000), I'll put a couple of 
>> solar panels up - probably the flexible ones. 'We have a local 
>> company that will order them and install them. That's the plan.
>> On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 01:31 AM, Rik & Susan Beeson wrote:
>>
>>> Joann, Did you get an RV type fridge that works on either gas or 
>>> 12-volt, or a 12-volt-only freon-type fridge? What brand is it? I 
>>> had a 12-volt fridge in a little LeSharo motorhome, and it was the 
>>> berries. Cooled down real quick (ice in 90 minutes) and did not use 
>>> NEARLY the juice that the resistance heater in a gas/electric RV 
>>> fridge uses. Also (and this was the reason they used it), it 
>>> required NO venting. That means NO holes in your rig for the fridge. 
>>> There is something to be said for that, particularly with a trailer 
>>> that didn't originally come with a gas fridge.
>>>
>>> Chris, where did you get those panels? The place you indicated 
>>> didn't know what I was talking about.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rik
>>>
>>>
>>> Joann Wheatley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Dean but it's about 10 days too late. I ordered it by phone 
>>>> and MC and it is in transit as we speak. So, here will be some 
>>>> first hand mistake/knowledge in the making. I'm sure I've made some 
>>>> other weird choices: a 2-burner cast iron stove top (fishing 
>>>> shack), an on-demand water heater...Oh well, I also bought a 
>>>> Citroen in 1970 and have had 3 British sports cars, I married a 
>>>> computer geek (that was 36 yrs ago and wildly successful), and 
>>>> other stuff like that. I don't know why I do it.
>>>> Jo Ann
>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 01:47 PM, dean wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please ReThink your 12 Volt refrig.  They just don't work and they 
>>>>> will take your Batteries down
>>>>> fast.
>>>>> Stay with the Propane gas models   Don't take my word,  check with 
>>>>> others on this too.
>>>>> Dean
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 11:50  AM, Joann Wheatley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris - could you describe how you installed the flexible panels 
>>>>>> in a little more detail or maybe a picture? Do they just keep 
>>>>>> your battery(s) charged and then you run stuff off the battery? I 
>>>>>> have a 12v refrig on order and am still a little concerned that 
>>>>>> the generator alone is not going to keep my Bubble's 12v battery 
>>>>>> (just one) charged when not on shore power although I won't have 
>>>>>> a microwave, hair dryer etc just lights and water pump on 
>>>>>> electric; no AC either.
>>>>>> jw
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:43:36 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] window glass

I had an estimate of $100 to have 3M film put on the four windows on 
'57 Bubble. I like the extra security of the "hardened" (in a security 
sense, not actual strength) glass. Plus if I catch a big rock, I won't 
have shards of glass to deal with. Getting the lightest-colored film 
possible to retain the see-through feature. Anybody know where to get 
that plastic seal or gasket or whatever it is that goes around the 
perimeter of the glass to keep rain out. After cussing the silicon 
sealer (removing it) I'll be dang if I'll reapply that stuff - plus it 
looks messy to me.
Jo Ann

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:07:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Notice: VAC Classifieds

...are back up and running - and working like they're
supposed to.

Toby Folwick
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:42:05 EDT
From: Pemayeux@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] re: glass replacement

Joann - I purchased the window retainer strip and the sealant bead from 
Airstreamdreams.com. I just finished replacing all of the glass in my 62 Overlander 
( it was easier to replace it than to clean it ). The previous owner had 
smeared a silicon all around them, what a mess and what a job to clean up. The 
window retainer bead ( strip around the outside of the window) is made to match 
the original and you would not beilieve how much better the trailer looked with 
having just that done. Good luck.

Paul

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:17:49 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] window glass

Joann, I think Airstream Dreams has the window gaskets you need.

http://www.airstreamdreams.com/category.html?UCIDs=1050632

Daisy

Joann Wheatley wrote:

> I had an estimate of $100 to have 3M film put on the four windows on '57 
> Bubble. I like the extra security of the "hardened" (in a security 
> sense, not actual strength) glass. Plus if I catch a big rock, I won't 
> have shards of glass to deal with. Getting the lightest-colored film 
> possible to retain the see-through feature. Anybody know where to get 
> that plastic seal or gasket or whatever it is that goes around the 
> perimeter of the glass to keep rain out. After cussing the silicon 
> sealer (removing it) I'll be dang if I'll reapply that stuff - plus it 
> looks messy to me.
> Jo Ann

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 21:36:36 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Quick, what size wheels ?

Hey,

Hunter just called me and said there is a set of four aluminum wheels on 
sale at the Airstream plant.  What size do I need for my '73 Ambassador ????

Daisy

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:35:19 -0400
From: "Robert L. Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Quick, what size wheels ?

I think that they are 15" like my '77 - 31' International.  Bob Cornute
WBCCI 4953
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Daisy Welch" <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "VAL list" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>; <AirstreamList@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:36 PM
Subject: [VAL] Quick, what size wheels ?


> Hey,
>
> Hunter just called me and said there is a set of four aluminum wheels on
> sale at the Airstream plant.  What size do I need for my '73 Ambassador
????
>
> Daisy
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:41:39 -0400
From: "Jim Wallace \(Wally\)" <maltnhops@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] '66 Caravel Furnace removal

Okay, I give up.  How do I get my Hydro-Flame furnace out of my Caravel
without a hacksaw or blow torch?

All interior screws are removed from the cabinetry.  All exterior rivets are
removed from the vent/skin.  The 2" steel vent pipe is inside a larger,
two-piece galvanized pipe.  Is the 2" pipe threaded somewhere or is there a
slip joint of some kind?  Maybe it's just rusted together. I just don't know.

Any help is appreciated as I can't remove the cabinet until I remove the
furnace.

If you have some good advice, please CC my email offlist as well, so I don't
have to wait for the digest replies.  I hope to work on this soon.

Thanks,
Wally

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:54:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Turner <epd711@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] model and year

HI my name  is Marc from Rochester,NH.  I was hoping you can help me.  I am 
the proud owner of a vintage Airstream, but I do not know what model of year 
it is.  It was made in California and has a serial number of 0 3138.  The roof 
is 13 panels front and back and it has a front casement window.  The trailer 
is 21 feet long from bumper to tip of the hitch. I has double bunk beds at the 
rear curb side and across the back, which form an L.  The interior is all veneer.  
The original WBCC number is still on it 3439.  I want to join the WBCC and VAC, 
but I don't even know what my Airstream is.  Any help you can give me, or steer 
me in the right direction, would be greatly appreciated. 
M. Turner



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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:00:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: M Tate <firebirdesprit@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] 65 Overlander progress report

Hello again to all,

I have just spent several hours, over several days, on
the belly pan. I bought what has to be one of the best
tool investments that I have ever made. I bought an
air riveter. Such a time and pain saver!!! Pulls 3/16"
alum/alum rivets so easily compared to doing it by
hand. It is now fully back up, all holes patched, and
looks much better. I plan on sanding and painting the
axles as well as putting a couple of coats of cold
galvanizing alum. paint on the pan itself. This is the
kind of work that takes a lot of time, but will be
well worth it R/T maintenance down the road. So much
work never is seen but is such an integral part in
restoring one of these beauties that we love. 
I have the floor down and figured how to replace it
without disrupting the skin. I took the old rotted
piece out (what was left of it) and made a template
out of a sheet of 1/4" fiber board, the slick smooth
kind. Used this because it was the cheapest and only
to be used one time anyway. 
I decided to cut the 5/8 plywood, (exterior grade,
could not find marine) over a floor joist so I could
piece it together. I laid my skil saw blade at about a
20 degree angle and cut it so I could match it up over
a floor joist. Remember boys and girls, as my old
daddy used to say "Measure twice, cut once"  
Having followed dad's advice for once, it actually
worked. Now I won't lie and tell you that it was easy.
It even took a few well placed licks with a
sledgehammer to a scrap block of wood screwed to the
flooring to get it in place, but it's in and looks
good, if I do say so myself. I cut the angle running
front to back so it meets up over a wide joist. What
the angle does is give the second smaller piece
clearance to go in. You cut it so the first, bigger 
piece has the angle going up, ie. the top of the
plywood is shorter than the bottom.
Thinking ahead for once in this project, I coated the
bottom of the plywood and the edges, ESPECIALLY the
edges, with 2 coats of fiberglass resin before
installation. I initially used elevator bolts, but I
did't like the way they pulled, not strong enough.
Plus, they begin to rust on the bottom almost at once.
I went back to the trusty Lowe's and bought galvanized
lag screws and am well pleased with the result. Man,
they really built these things to last, and naturally
I had to improve and add a few extra bolts. I bolted
the channel through the belly skin, pulling the bolts
right through the skin and patched with a few small
patches, and while not purist restoration, it works
and saved much time and headaches. Next on the list is
getting a rear access door from Andy at Inland RV,
this will let me get it really water tight and then I
will start putting the interior alum. panels back it. 
While not foolish enough to think it will be finished
next week, I am beginning to see light at the end of
the tunnel. She is going to be SO COOOOOOL when
completed. Haven't got a name for her yet, but will
know it when we hear it. 
So much more has gone on, but this has gone on long
enough. Good night and happy trails to all.

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:29:06 -0600
From: "Fred Coldwell" <Agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] model and year

Marc:

   It's a 1953 Flying Cloud model, 21 feet long and made in
Ohio as indicated by the "O" in the serial number.   Yours
was built near the end of 1953 production; O-3154 was the
last 1953 Flying Cloud made.  

Fred in Denver

Marc Turner wrote:
> 
> HI my name  is Marc from Rochester,NH.  I was hoping you can help me.  I am the 
> proud owner of a vintage Airstream, but I do not know what model of year it is.  It 
> was made in California and has a serial number of 0 3138.  The roof is 13 panels front 
> and back and it has a front casement window.  The trailer is 21 feet long from bumper 
> to tip of the hitch. I has double bunk beds at the rear curb side and across the back, 
> which form an L.  The interior is all veneer.  The original WBCC number is still on it 
> 3439.  I want to join the WBCC and VAC, but I don't even know what my Airstream is.  
> Any help you can give me, or steer me in the right direction, would be greatly appreciated.
> M. Turner
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