VAL Digest V1 #228

VAL Digest           Sunday, April 25 2004           Volume 01 : Number 228




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] Region 7 VAC Rally- The Tow In
Re: [VAL] wheels
[VAL] List etiquette
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #226 - No politics
Re: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel
Re: [VAL] Courtesy Parking
Re: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel
Re: [VAL] Dixie stove
RE: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel
Re: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel
[VAL] Mini Stash - soft copper wire
[VAL] New Orleans Garage
[VAL] Mini Stash - McD stirrers

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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 06:53:18 -0400
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Region 7 VAC Rally- The Tow In

Hello All
Just a quick plug for this year's Region 7 VAC Rally. We will be holding
the Vintage Buddy Rally (we are calling this rally the Tow In) on July
29 - August 1, 2004 in Appleton (Greenville), WI. We have secured a
great site at the Greenville Grange, lots of grassy parking, great
building to hold events, an open house, some water and electric. ( we
should be able to get you all water). Appleton is 19 miles from Oshkosh,
WI, and why do I bring this up? This is the same weekend as the EAA Fly
In! If you have always wanted to see this Air show but could not find a
spot to park for the weekend now is your chance to meet up with some
Vintage Airstreamers and go to the greatest air show in the country all
in the same weekend. Parking will start on Thursday at noon and our
departure day will be Sunday. I will have more information as we develop
the activities for the weekend, drop me a line if you are interested in
attending this one of a kind Vintage Rally.
 
thanks
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
Region 7 VAC Rep

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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:37:43 -0400
From: "bob stockdale" <bobstock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] wheels

Jerry  The inside of the wheel is a flat surface and the lugs are long
enough. My uncle bought 2 of these wheels for his 65 Safari and they work
fine on his unit as well. I will try to email you a picture shortly off the
list .  Bob----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Jarrell" <jdj2@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:43 PM
Subject: [VAL] wheels


> Bob, was the inside of the wheel that bolted to the hub a flat surface?
> I looked up the Stagg RV and found the wheel. The chev wheels had
> dimples on the backside and the lugs were too short. I just wanted to
> make sure before dropping more money down the "Shiney Money Pit." ;)
> Jerry
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:26:08 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <tommyjoe@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] List etiquette

On reviewing the messages from yesterday, it appears that I caught the wrong
party, so am reinstating Anderson.

What is obvious though is that there are a number of guilty parties.  The
original perpetrator, as well as all who replied to the subject matter.  This
is not a joke list, nor a military list, nor a political list.  It is a
Vintage Airstream List, and the topics discussed need to have some
relationship to Vintage Airstreams.  Naturally, there is going to be some
drifting off topic, but you all know, or should know when the subject goes too
far off-topic.  If anyone has a problem with this, then adios!

I happen to be on the road, and the moderators travel as well.  The list is
not monitored every second of the day, so you all need to realize this fact.
We do read all posts at some point however, so can, and will take all required
actions at a later time.  It is not necessary for you to scream for help!
What is necessary is for all to act as adults.

There are over 800 members of the list, and most are responsible.  Some
obviously are not, and future transgressors will be removed.

- -Tom

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:06:09 -0500
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #226 - No politics

Cut it out. This is not a political forum. Definitely out of place. I'm
sure the rest of us don't want me to give the history of the Star
Spangled Banner, pledge of allegiance, etc., on this forum.
Al

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> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 05:39:56 -0500
> From: "Gary Ricketts" <gricketts@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel 
> 
> Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel

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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:12:03 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel

See, now that's funny.
JW
On 23, Apr 2004, at 5:21 PM, Jeffrey Fryckman wrote:

> Let's kick this persons ass off the list.
>
> On Thursday, April 22, 2004, at 07:39 PM, Gary Ricketts wrote:
>
>> Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel
>
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:13:58 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Courtesy Parking

I guess I was thinking N.Arkansas: White River, etc.
Thanks, JW
On 23, Apr 2004, at 8:29 PM, Blair wrote:

> Hi Jo Ann -
>
> Table Rock Lake and Kimberling City, MO is the Bass fishing capitol of 
> the World.
>
> At least that's what the sign says.  From the number of Bass 
> tournaments held here I think I believe them.
>
> There are 8 Midways in MO which one.?????
>
> Blair
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 04:07 PM 4/23/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> Could you elaborate on the fishing......
>> Jo Ann
>> p.s. Are you anywhere near Midway?
>> On 23, Apr 2004, at 3:02 PM, Blair wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gang -
>>>
>>> I'm announcing the opening of my MIni - Airstream Park Near Branson 
>>> and Eureka Springs.
>>> I have room for two units
>>> Full hookups with 30 and 50 amp service.
>>> Gravel pads.  Each site seperated by 20-30' of trees.
>>> Any size will fit. .
>>> Very quiet
>>> Ten acres of heavy woods for walking
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4 minutes to fishing, horseback riding, and boat rental on the south 
>>> end of Table Rock Lake
>>> 4 minutes to Dogwood Canyon Nature Park (Walking and horse riding)
>>> 10 minutes to Elk's Lodge
>>> 12 minutes to Talking Rocks Cavern
>>> 15 minutes to Silver Dollar City
>>> 15 minutes to Shepherd of the Hills
>>> 15 minutes to Golfing
>>> 20 minutes to Branson Shows
>>> 30 minutes to Eureka Springs Shopping and entertainment
>>> 60 minutes to Springfield
>>>
>>> If that isn't enough you can just site in the woods and listen to 
>>> the grass grow.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm here now working on my son's house and will have two spots open 
>>> on the following dates.
>>>
>>> 5/1- 5/9
>>>
>>> 5/19-6/26
>>>
>>> August dates to be determined
>>>
>>> All of Sept and October until I head for Texas for the winter.
>>>
>>> If your in the area and want to stay out in the woods call me.
>>>
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:15:52 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel

Whoops....guess not. jw
On 24, Apr 2004, at 11:12 AM, jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu wrote:

> See, now that's funny.
> JW
> On 23, Apr 2004, at 5:21 PM, Jeffrey Fryckman wrote:
>
>> Let's kick this persons ass off the list.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 22, 2004, at 07:39 PM, Gary Ricketts wrote:
>>
>>> Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel
>>
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:37:36 -0400
From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dixie stove

I saw a dixie stove at the dump today , having no storage to speak of , and no
50`s trailers , I left it there . The burners were missing , but the body was
PINK and no chips . Its dirty with usual rust . I think these went in early
airstreams and spartans , if anyone is interested I could check and see if the
dump guys havent run it over wuth the backhoe ( they love to do that ) monday .
Shipping might be a problem , or not worth it . I just could`nt justify taking
it myself - I`ve sworn of junk and more airstreams .
Chris 63 flying cloud

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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:10:10 -0400
From: "Gary L.\"Snook\" Hoffman" <thesnookman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel

As a Marine Corps veteran and VAL member I feel strongly we should be
Supreme patriots. What was printed was NOT offensive and should actually
happen on a more frequent basis. Sometimes we need to be reminded!
Personally I liked it and agree with the original post.  I guess some want
the VAL list to be a bunch of snobbish aluminum Land Yacht/Globetrotter
restorers.

 My USMC emblem is proudly displayed on my American made tow vehicle and my
69 American made Safari.

We were attacked and we are at war.
A salute to Pat Tillman who like many others, including Ted Williams, Jimmy
Stewart and others who made it possible for us to have our list and hobby
while living in the land of the free and the home of the brave.  If we were
willing to Kick Ass when needed we would have to do less often.  If you
don't happen to agree or think we got where we are by our founding fathers
being a pacifists then quietly use your DELETE key.

Oh Yes, --Does any VAL member have a diagram or graphics for a Red White and
blue star spangled paint job and a brass eagle topped 50 telescoping flag
pole that can be attached to hitch so one can fly Stars and Stripes, POW/MIA
and USMC flag when boondocking?

 If this is deemed offensive you may remove me form the list.

God Bless America
Semper Fidelis,
Gary L. "Snook" Hoffman
96 Burban 4x4  and 69 Safari (mobile hunt/fish camp continual work in
progress)

- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of John Anderson
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:19 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel


Would the uncharacteristically silent list monitors wish to weigh in
with a ruling on this matter?

I hope it never becomes the vogue that patriotism be associated with
arrogant, crude, self-righteousness.

Army Ranger Pat Tillman, whose tragic death in Afghanistan was reported
today, was a fine example of a supreme patriot who served mankind with
dignity, humility, and grace. A real class act patriot.

Jeffrey Fryckman wrote:

> Let's kick this persons ass off the list.
>
> On Thursday, April 22, 2004, at 07:39 PM, Gary Ricketts wrote:
>
>> Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel

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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:16:09 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <tommyjoe@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel

Gary L."Snook" Hoffman is no longer on the list.

- -Tom
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary L."Snook" Hoffman" <thesnookman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 2:10 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel


> As a Marine Corps veteran and VAL member I feel strongly we should be
> Supreme patriots. What was printed was NOT offensive and should actually
> happen on a more frequent basis. Sometimes we need to be reminded!
> Personally I liked it and agree with the original post.  I guess some want
> the VAL list to be a bunch of snobbish aluminum Land Yacht/Globetrotter
> restorers.
>
>  My USMC emblem is proudly displayed on my American made tow vehicle and
my
> 69 American made Safari.
>
> We were attacked and we are at war.
> A salute to Pat Tillman who like many others, including Ted Williams,
Jimmy
> Stewart and others who made it possible for us to have our list and hobby
> while living in the land of the free and the home of the brave.  If we
were
> willing to Kick Ass when needed we would have to do less often.  If you
> don't happen to agree or think we got where we are by our founding fathers
> being a pacifists then quietly use your DELETE key.
>
> Oh Yes, --Does any VAL member have a diagram or graphics for a Red White
and
> blue star spangled paint job and a brass eagle topped 50 telescoping flag
> pole that can be attached to hitch so one can fly Stars and Stripes,
POW/MIA
> and USMC flag when boondocking?
>
>  If this is deemed offensive you may remove me form the list.
>
> God Bless America
> Semper Fidelis,
> Gary L. "Snook" Hoffman
> 96 Burban 4x4  and 69 Safari (mobile hunt/fish camp continual work in
> progress)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of John Anderson
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:19 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Fw: Military Rules For Non-military Personnel
>
>
> Would the uncharacteristically silent list monitors wish to weigh in
> with a ruling on this matter?
>
> I hope it never becomes the vogue that patriotism be associated with
> arrogant, crude, self-righteousness.
>
> Army Ranger Pat Tillman, whose tragic death in Afghanistan was reported
> today, was a fine example of a supreme patriot who served mankind with
> dignity, humility, and grace. A real class act patriot.
>
> Jeffrey Fryckman wrote:
>
> > Let's kick this persons ass off the list.
> >
> > On Thursday, April 22, 2004, at 07:39 PM, Gary Ricketts wrote:
> >
> >> Military Rules for the Non-Military Personnel
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:12:38 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Mini Stash - soft copper wire

Hey Gang,

Here's another idea for those who save "stuff" just because it "might" 
be useful.

Most of my friends with a mechanical bent know that soft copper wire 
can be shaped into all manner of helpful devices when a third hand 
(thumb and forefinger) or a small hook is needed when in a jam and 
working by ourselves on a project. Today, I learned another use for my 
12" piece of soft copper wire.

After pulling into a Wendy's parking lot, I tried to open our 
Airstream's door. It opened about 1/4 inch, but wouldn't open more. Our 
new screen door lock; which I had fabricated from a twist lock for 
holding storm windows in place; had been jarred enough during today's 
travel so that it had rotated into the locked position.

Thus, the screen door was locked against the door frame from inside 
with the screen door locked against the outside door by the standard 
slide bar lock. End result, the door wouldn't open. True, I could have 
used a crow bar and broken off the pop rivet used to secure the twist 
lock, but that seemed like overkill.

Instead, I shaped the piece of soft copper wire to slide up through the 
opening and acquire the correct shape as I turned it to a horizontal 
position. Once in the horizontal position, I could slide the wire 
downward with a little vertical sliding pressure. That's all it took to 
rotate the twist lock and open the screen door. I used a pair of 
locking pliers clamped on the wire to facilitate guiding the wire. My 
efforts to manage with just my fingers were unsuccessful. The pliers 
provided more than sufficient "purchase" for sliding the wire down the 
two door frames on the inside.

Bottom line, this was a case where one of my bright ideas (twist lock 
for screen door) worked like a charm when the outside door is open, but 
caused a problem when the outside door was closed and we were driving 
over bumpy roads. I'm going to improve on that idea one of these days. 
In the meantime, I'm using masking tape to keep the twist lock open 
when the outside door and screen door are closed and we're rolling.

My whole idea for using a twist lock was to create a puzzle for anyone 
trying to open the screen door without our permission (children who 
want to pet our cats after they see them sitting there). Then, there 
are the few people who knock and open the screen door without regard to 
any "just a moment, please" statement.

Enough for now,

Terry

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:12:31 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] New Orleans Garage

Hi Gang,

One of my favorite ways to locate needed services in a community is to 
look for Mom and Pop businesses that have been around for 50 or more 
years. In some areas of the country, it's easy to do. New Orleans is 
one of those towns and Westwego was the neighborhood nearest our 
campsite at Bayou Segnette State Park when I needed a garage.

Yesterday afternoon, I took our Van to Charles Muller's Garage on 225 
Fourth Street in Westwego for a new starter ($56).

One of the mechanics (Curtis) installed the starter, made up a 
replacement 4 foot long electrical cable ($15) and connected it to the 
battery. The old cable had been "fried" where it was attached to the 
starter.

While at it, I asked Curtiss to replace the battery ($62). It's been a 
bit tired and has been drinking a lot of water lately.

All of this took about two hours ($65).  When Charles (the owner) gave 
me the bill, I objected to the low labor price, but he insisted, so I 
paid it and tipped Curtis on the way out.

Will I return to this garage in the future for routine maintenance or 
needed repairs? You bet I will. This garage is listed in my PDA  under 
reputable garages for repair of my 1978 Ford Van E-250 with a 460 CID 
V8 and 375,000 towing miles on the odometer.

Terry

Trivia Question:
How many Flying J Truckstops are located 200 miles apart along the 
Interstate highways (I-10, I-59, I-40, I-75, I-81) between New Orleans 
and Albany, NY? Answer:  xis

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:12:23 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Mini Stash - McD stirrers

Hi Gang,

Every so often a problem comes along that's no big deal, yet is a real 
inconvenience at the moment. One of those occasions occurred recently.

After a 200 mile run, we stopped for the day and I went inside - only 
to find the plastic air conditioner filter housing on the floor. It had 
fallen out because one of the four plastic snaps (1/8" x 1/2") holding 
it in the housing had cracked, thus releasing it from the housing.  The 
snap hadn't broken off but was no longer able to exert its' share of 
pressure to hold the filter housing into the air conditioner's body. 
The other three snaps were in good condition.

In my Mini Stash box I've collected an assortment of small plastic and 
wooden utensils. Some are typically used for stirring cream in a cup of 
coffee.  With a few trial and error comparisons, I noticed the spade 
portion of a McDonald's stirrer was an exact fit between the slots 
where the snap was located.

By breaking off two spades, applying superglue to one side of both, I 
secured one spade on each side of the cracked snap with locking pliers. 
The next morning when I released the locking pliers, the glue had 
completely dried, the snap was repaired and the joint was stronger than 
when originally made.

After cleaning the filter and re-inserting it in the housing, I put the 
housing back into the air conditioner body. All four snaps held it 
securely. Problem solved?

Today we made the run from Bayou Segnette SP in New Orleans along I-10 
and north on I-59 to the COE Campground in Collinsville, Mississippi. 
When I went inside our trailer, the filter housing was still in place. 
Yes - problem solved!

Sometimes solutions to problems are no farther away than combining a 
little ingenuity with the odds and ends we accumulate during our daily 
activities.

Terry

Trivia Questions:
At the COE Twiltley Branch CG on Okatibbee Lake in Collinsville, MS, 
how many campsites have clear shot to the Dish Satellite in the western 
sky? Answer: evif   -- They are #1, 2, 4, 6 and 8. Are reservations 
needed for more than a one or two night stay? Yes. How far in advance 
can reservations be made? Eleven months.

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