VAL Digest V1 #194

VAL Digest           Sunday, March 21 2004           Volume 01 : Number 194




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Topics in Today's Digest:

Re: [VAL] '56 Bubble Questions
[VAL] Generator options
Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?
Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #193
[VAL] Generators/VAC/Lansing
[VAL] Re: Cherry Blossom Rally
Re: [VAL] Re: Cherry Blossom Rally
[VAL] Re: cherry blossom
[VAL] colors?
Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?
Re: [VAL] '56 Bubble Questions
Re: [VAL] '56 Bubble Questions
Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?
Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?
Re: [VAL] Generator options
Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?
Re: [VAL] Generator options
Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?
Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #193
[VAL] Lansing
Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?
Re: [VAL] Generator options
Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:45:49 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '56 Bubble Questions

Geez Louis...where to start. I have a '56 Bubble but avoided all those 
things you have mentioned by gutting it and rebuilding. As I recall, 
prior to the destruction of the old stuff, there was a straight pipe 
from the potty (in the front, curbside) that ran all the way to the 
back. I think it was put in by PO however so your Dad's is truly 
original, it may actually have a curbside outlet from the potty. Weird.
    the trailer has a built in 110v line in the front, street side. It 
looks like an ordinary appliance male plug. I don't think it was 
3-prong either!
    A 7 gal fresh water tank and that's all. No grey, no black. I don't 
know where the rinse water went. The
Bubble, as I understand it, was strictly a "park model" made to be 
plugged in in every way. Not to stand alone. No 12v anything either. 
All 110v. The kitchen faucet is a pump type; the refrig is strictly an 
icebox.
Is your Dad driving it back to CA? Wow. I hope he has a St. Christopher 
medal the size of a manhole cover.
Jo Ann
On 19, Mar 2004, at 10:01 AM, Amanda Meeker wrote:

> Hi,
>
> All you late 50s owners out there, I have some dumb questions for you. 
> My Dad has purchased an original condition 1956 Bubble on the East 
> Coast and is planning to camp in it as he pulls it back across 
> country. (Yeah, certainly a little risky, but I've dealt with the 
> seller before and trust that he has provided honest information about 
> the trailer and the operability of its systems. It's getting new 
> tires, brakes are good, etc.) Anyway, my Dad called me this morning to 
> get a list of things he ought to purchase for the trip. Some things - 
> leveling jacks, drinking water hose, water pressure regulator, blue 
> boy, etc - are presumably universal, but since my trailer is a '68, I 
> don't have all the answers for him. For instance, I know that a '56 
> wouldn't have a holding tank; but if he's at full hookups, I presume 
> he could use the toilet? What kind of hose adapter would he need 
> (mine's a Thetford, but I presume his may be different)? Does the gray 
> water drain to the same outlet as t!
> he toilet? Is a '56 set up with the built-in electrical cord like mine 
> has? etc...
>
> I would greatly welcome any advice, suggestions, or shopping list 
> items to pass on to him.
>
> Also, another question: you know those maps of the US that people have 
> on the inside of the door? The kind where you can fill in the states 
> where your trailer has been? Are those still made and if so, where 
> does one get them?
>
> Thanks a lot!!!
>
> Amanda
> '68 Safari
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:56:29 -0000
From: "Anthony Slocock" <anthony@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>
Subject: [VAL] Generator options

Tom

This is the generator I am using:
http://www.dometic.com/node859.asp?Model=TEC%2029
It will be permanently installed in the pick up bed of my crew cab with
exhaust and vent kits fitted - this allows the generator to be ON, but the
vehicle locked and secure.  It has a remote control panel that can be
installed in the trailer, so I can start the geny at night to turn on the
air con, without having to go outside.

Why put the geny in the tow vehicle?  Many reasons.  Most importantly, less
weight in the trailer.  Next most importantly, less noise and vibration in
the trailer.  Thirdly I can have several trailers, but need have only 1
generator.  There's also a 2nd 210Amp/hr battery going in the trailer - for
the same reasons (aside from noise obviously).  The only disadvantages are
more cables/ leads between trailer and tow vehicle, but there are neat
solutions to that (& I am positioning everything to keep the cables as short
as possible).  I've gone for an unleaded generator because my vehicle will
be unleaded, in order to allow an LPG conversion.  I will probably run the
vehicle mainly off LPG with a new large cylindrical vapour tank in the pick
up bed, but retain the existing fuel tank for unleaded as back up and to
supply the generator.

The same principle applies to waste tanks.  In addition to the 95L (approx
23gal) waste and water tanks already installed in the new trailer chassis
(plus there's a 45L black tank), I will have a 95L waste transfer tank on
the tow vehicle and a pillow tank for fresh water.  Again, less weight in
the trailer.  I can boondock and empty all my waste tanks/ fill the fresh
water tank without moving the trailer.

The combination of the above should allow me to 'boondock' almost
indefinitely.  (I'll also have one solar panel to assist with the final 10%
charge of the batteries, to reduce the generator 'on time' requirement).

All these solutions are spec'd down to individual appliances and now on A3
CAD drawings.  Again, I'll be at the WDCU Cherry Blossom Rally (but not with
the trailer) and in due course, when the trailer is fully completed and I
can critique the systems, I'll document everything fully.  But anyone
reading please bear in mind that all these custom solutions are expensive..

Obviously the systems I am using - where mains voltage - are 230V (for use
in Europe), but the principles can be followed using 110V appliances..

Regards

Anthony Slocock

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:47:36 -0600
From: "Gary Ricketts" <gricketts@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: "VAL Airstream" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: [VAL] do you have a generator installed? yet?


> How many people on this Airstream list own a generator that you can either
> take with you on your travels or have one semi or permanently installed
> somewhere on your trailers?
>
Tom,
     I've got a 2500 watt Onan propane genset that I've mounted in a frame
with wheels and enclosed (for cosmetic not noise). I roll it out of my Yukon
and put it by the tongue of the trailer and plug in to the propane tanks on
the trailer. If needed I can use it anywhere else by taking my grill tank
along. I also have a remote cable wired in over the ref. so I don't have to
go outside to start/stop.
    On the other hand we have installed one in the living room of my fathers
trailer. We cut a hole in the side of his trailer where his TV cabinet is
located and installed an additional ref. door for ventilation and to service
the genset. We insulated the aluminum box we made with a high density foam
to protect the inside from fumes and noise. With the ac running you cannot
hear the genset. Even without the ac on you can carry on a normal
conversation sitting right beside it. The vibration is not noticeable to me.
His is plumbed into his propane lines as well.
    We wanted propane for the fact we had the tanks, carbs don't gum up if
you don't start the gensets on a regular basis and you don't have to carry a
couple of gas cans around.

Gary

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:16:26 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

I have a 4000 watt Honda 2 cyl watercooled generator installed on the toung 
of my Tradewind.I no longer use any gasin the trailer the 4000 watt unit runs 
all my appliances.I have a deepfreeze, refrigator,elect hotplate, 
microwave,waterheator,and rooftop AC. Ibuilt a cabner for it and mounted the unit on 
shochabsorbing mounts. It is reasonably quite but not as quite as the 2000 or 3000 
watt super quite Honda units but this is designed for continue use and not as a 
stand by unit. I ran the exaust through an auto muffler and the exaust 
terninates between the wheels.
Jim Smith
1965 Tradewind(The Silver Abaltross.)

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:29:27 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #193

Hi Amanda,

Where on the east coast is he picking it up? I live on Long Island.
I have a 54 Flying Cloud, and although it had a full bath it was never 
plumbed to be used with hoses at a campground! The previous owner had 
rigged up a metal pipe with an elbow that screwed onto the waste pipe 
(that just stuck out the bottom, straight) so that one could push the 
hose (without a connector) onto the pipe and secure it with a clamp. 
The grey drained into the same outlet.

The electrical cord was different also. It used a marine style 
connector and was separate from the trailer.

The most important thing he should take is a tool box with everything 
he can fit!!!! With a 50's trailer you have to be prepared for 
anything! Mine was supposed to have all working systems also and I 
found that almost every water pipe leaked. Duck tape, plumber's tape, 
electrical tape, etc. all needed. It will be an adventure! I drove to 
Colorado three weeks after I bought the FC and every day and night 
something different came up! I loved it!

Patti

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:29:38 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Generators/VAC/Lansing

Since it appears that some/maybe many, in the VAC are in
need of gensets for various reason and I doubt that the 
30amp service will be out in the VAC area. Maybe the
thing to do is to have a "genset area" with in the VAC 
parking. With this all will be happy. It would be very easy
to do. I would say though, you may want to make it a 
requirement for those using gensets in the VAC area, they
must be the "no noise" type, I'm sure the WBCCI does
not want us making anymore noise than we already do!!


Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC/WDCU 1270
66' Overlander (A/C not working, no need for genset, but I have two)

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:30:59 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Cherry Blossom Rally

The info on the rally can be found on the VAC site and the WDCU site. 
It's a great rally on a beautiful farm just outside Washington, DC.

Patti

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:24:33 -0500
From: "Wayne A. Moore \(WAM\)" <wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Cherry Blossom Rally

Hi Dan and all,

Anyone interested in attending the Rally can get info and a registration
form at The Washington DC Unit Home page

http://www.servintfree.net/wbcci-dc/

See ya there!!

WAM
WDCU/VAC/WBCCI 15116

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:08:24 -0600
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Cherry Blossom Rally

Seeking information about the Cherry Blossom Rally.  Where and when?
Dan
14148

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:11:51 -0500
From: "Linda" <belrngr13@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: cherry blossom

Hi Dan,
You can find info about the CBR on the WDCU site. Registration form and
info. about the rally there. Hope to see you there
Linda & Jake
61 Tradewind

>
> Seeking information about the Cherry Blossom Rally.  Where and when?
> Dan
> 14148

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 07:02:05 -0700
From: "Earl Peck" <earlpeck@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] colors?

Hello All,
As the weather here in Idaho starts to get warmer and I'm getting ready to
start plolishing my 65 Overlander, I'm wondering what the original color of
the air conditioning shroud, range top vent cover, refrigerator vent cover and
(for lack of a better discription) the fairing that surrounds the tail lights
was. They are all a very dark weathered gray now.  Were they possably a
matching aluminum or silver color?
 Thanks in advance for the help!

Earl in Idaho
65 Overlander Intl.
WBCCI 1965

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:42:16 -0600
From: "Buddy" <buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

Jim Smith said...

"I have a 4000 watt Honda 2 cyl watercooled generator installed on the toung
of my Tradewind.I no longer use any gasin the trailer the 4000 watt unit
runs..."

Jim, what is the model number of your generator. I believe you have the
setup I would like to duplicate.

Buddy Atwood

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:06:06 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '56 Bubble Questions

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Meeker" Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: [VAL] '56 Bubble Questions


> ......For instance, I know that a '56 wouldn't have a holding tank; but if
he's at full hookups, I presume he could use the toilet? What kind of hose
adapter would he need (mine's a Thetford, but I presume his may be
different)? Does the gray water drain to the same outlet as t!
the toilet?......

Hi Amanda (again):

If it were me, I would consider a porta-potty sort of thing for the trip.
Maybe even permanent.  Easily dumped along the way.  A true "Port in a
Storm".  I noticed Camper's Choice (the catalog that's on the top of the
pile in case you're wondering) has 2 to choose from both under $100.  And
best of all they're available in Parchment <grin>.

GQ '67 Safari
4082 in CA

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:27:10 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '56 Bubble Questions

I'm with Gary. The porta potty has no class or vintage quality, but it 
is an engineering and practical marvel. For one person, it's way better 
than a retrofit in these old trailers. They weren't designed to carry 
holding tanks and unless you beef up the frame that much weight (1 pint= 
1 Lb.) you'll have expensive trouble ahead. I'd rather empty a porta 
potty anyday than a black tank. And you can do it in any toilet !

For gray water, where ever it comes out, a small blue boy will do fine. 
You may have to mickey mouse a connector, but if it drains far enough 
underneath, the 3" hole in the blue boy should catch it without making 
the neighbors think you're dumping bad stuff.

Daisy


> If it were me, I would consider a porta-potty sort of thing for the trip.
> Maybe even permanent.  Easily dumped along the way.  A true "Port in a
> Storm".  I noticed Camper's Choice (the catalog that's on the top of the
> pile in case you're wondering) has 2 to choose from both under $100.  And
> best of all they're available in Parchment <grin>.

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:15:47 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

Jim,

Do you have pictures anywhere that we can view?

Thanks,
Tom
- ----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed? yet?


> I have a 4000 watt Honda 2 cyl watercooled generator installed on the
toung
> of my Tradewind.I no longer use any gasin the trailer the 4000 watt unit
runs
> all my appliances.I have a deepfreeze, refrigator,elect hotplate,
> microwave,waterheator,and rooftop AC. Ibuilt a cabner for it and mounted
the unit on
> shochabsorbing mounts. It is reasonably quite but not as quite as the 2000
or 3000
> watt super quite Honda units but this is designed for continue use and not
as a
> stand by unit. I ran the exaust through an auto muffler and the exaust
> terninates between the wheels.
> Jim Smith
> 1965 Tradewind(The Silver Abaltross.)
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:18:37 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

Hi Gary,

Thank you for your response.  Nice to see some others posting on this
subject of generators for our trailers; seems that lots of people have given
thought to what they'd like to do, have done or plan to do.

Would you have pictures uploaded anywhere that we can see how you have
accomplished what you have done not only for your trailer but also for your
father's trailer?  I don't know that I'd be willing to cut into my newer
Airstream - but it's worth taking a look at regardless as others might like
a custom setup like your father's.

Thanks,
Tom


From: "Gary Ricketts" <gricketts@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Tom,
>      I've got a 2500 watt Onan propane genset that I've mounted in a frame
> with wheels and enclosed (for cosmetic not noise). I roll it out of my
Yukon
> and put it by the tongue of the trailer and plug in to the propane tanks
on
> the trailer. If needed I can use it anywhere else by taking my grill tank
> along. I also have a remote cable wired in over the ref. so I don't have
to
> go outside to start/stop.
>     On the other hand we have installed one in the living room of my
fathers
> trailer. We cut a hole in the side of his trailer where his TV cabinet is
> located and installed an additional ref. door for ventilation and to
service
> the genset. We insulated the aluminum box we made with a high density foam
> to protect the inside from fumes and noise. With the ac running you cannot
> hear the genset. Even without the ac on you can carry on a normal
> conversation sitting right beside it. The vibration is not noticeable to
me.
> His is plumbed into his propane lines as well.
>     We wanted propane for the fact we had the tanks, carbs don't gum up if
> you don't start the gensets on a regular basis and you don't have to carry
a
> couple of gas cans around.
>
> Gary

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:23:51 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Generator options

Hi, and thank you, Anthony.

So you are running the generator on unleaded and it's from Dometic.  Do you
plan on using other fuel besides gasoline in the future?  You may have said
so and I've missed it reading your post quickly.

Have you seen any diesel generators being used over where you live?  I know
diesel is bigger in your part of the world than ours so that is why I'm
asking.

Do you have pictures of your installation to share?

Thanks,
Tom

From: "Anthony Slocock" <anthony@xxxxxxxxxx.co.uk>
> Tom
> This is the generator I am using:
> http://www.dometic.com/node859.asp?Model=TEC%2029
> It will be permanently installed in the pick up bed of my crew cab with
> exhaust and vent kits fitted - this allows the generator to be ON, but the
> vehicle locked and secure.  It has a remote control panel that can be
> installed in the trailer, so I can start the geny at night to turn on the
> air con, without having to go outside.
>
> Why put the geny in the tow vehicle?  Many reasons.  Most importantly,
less
> weight in the trailer.  Next most importantly, less noise and vibration in
> the trailer.  Thirdly I can have several trailers, but need have only 1
> generator.  There's also a 2nd 210Amp/hr battery going in the trailer -
for
> the same reasons (aside from noise obviously).  The only disadvantages are
> more cables/ leads between trailer and tow vehicle, but there are neat
> solutions to that (& I am positioning everything to keep the cables as
short
> as possible).  I've gone for an unleaded generator because my vehicle will
> be unleaded, in order to allow an LPG conversion.  I will probably run the
> vehicle mainly off LPG with a new large cylindrical vapour tank in the
pick
> up bed, but retain the existing fuel tank for unleaded as back up and to
> supply the generator.
>
> The same principle applies to waste tanks.  In addition to the 95L (approx
> 23gal) waste and water tanks already installed in the new trailer chassis
> (plus there's a 45L black tank), I will have a 95L waste transfer tank on
> the tow vehicle and a pillow tank for fresh water.  Again, less weight in
> the trailer.  I can boondock and empty all my waste tanks/ fill the fresh
> water tank without moving the trailer.
>
> The combination of the above should allow me to 'boondock' almost
> indefinitely.  (I'll also have one solar panel to assist with the final
10%
> charge of the batteries, to reduce the generator 'on time' requirement).
>
> All these solutions are spec'd down to individual appliances and now on A3
> CAD drawings.  Again, I'll be at the WDCU Cherry Blossom Rally (but not
with
> the trailer) and in due course, when the trailer is fully completed and I
> can critique the systems, I'll document everything fully.  But anyone
> reading please bear in mind that all these custom solutions are
expensive..
>
> Obviously the systems I am using - where mains voltage - are 230V (for use
> in Europe), but the principles can be followed using 110V appliances..
>
> Regards
>
> Anthony Slocock

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:03:46 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

   Good thread, Tom. It's interesting how other VAL folks do things and 
I have learned a lot from the list. Here's my $0.02 worth on 
generators:

	I just got my new Honda EU2000 from the big brown truck that brings me 
stuff. I got a Honda for a variety of reasons: (1) my brothers' are 
dealers!! (2) I've used lots of other Honda motors & Honda pumps for 
high pressure washers, spray rigs, etc., and they start on one or two 
pulls - good ol' Briggs & Strattons will give you a real aerobic 
workout and then, they might start; (3) the Honda is very quiet and I 
got the 2000 cuz it's the biggest model that I might be able to move 
around if I have too but I'll probably get a little red wagon for most 
of the time. The plan is to put it in the pickup bed (i have a camper 
shell) and use it when boon docking. If the tailgate is down and the 
camper door is lifted, I think the fumes will be minimal. It runs on 
unleaded like the truck, I consider that a plus. 

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:40:21 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Generator options

The 1st generator I installed on my trailer was a 3000watt diesel air cooled 
generator I never got it to an acceptable  level It burnt up in 100+degree 
tempature.I had it inclosed and an auxelry fan but still had provlems.An 
expencive experment.Perhaps a water cooled marine generator with the proper raidator 
might work but I desided It wasn'e worth the trouble.
Jim Smith

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:51:25 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

The generator is an EV-40-10. I bought it from Northern I forgot the price 
but I believe the total including shipping was a tad under $3000.00 the 
generatoe weighs about 210 lb and as installed the whole unit is under 300lb. I can 
get out the digital camera and take photos  and send as an attachment.I am not 
computer smart enough to post them on the list . if any one wants them posted 
meby they couldcontacr me and I would be happy to send a floppy disk with the 
instilation.
Jim Smith

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:18:13 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

Jim,

Send the pictures to tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com

I'll find a place to post them for others to see.  Thanks.

Tom


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To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed? yet?


> The generator is an EV-40-10. I bought it from Northern I forgot the price
> but I believe the total including shipping was a tad under $3000.00 the
> generatoe weighs about 210 lb and as installed the whole unit is under
300lb. I can
> get out the digital camera and take photos  and send as an attachment.I am
not
> computer smart enough to post them on the list . if any one wants them
posted
> meby they couldcontacr me and I would be happy to send a floppy disk with
the
> instilation.
> Jim Smith
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:02:03 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #193

Amanda,

While I don't own a 50's, I have seen a few up close and I do own a 1960.

Yes your dad will be able to use the toilet if he has full hookups. Assuming
that the trailer will come with the needed connector and hose for the sewer.
The original sewer hose on my '60 was a good half inch smaller in diameter
than modern day sewer hose. Adapters from the old system to the modern day
standard are hard to come by. Most people seem to convert the whole system
to the modern standard just because the correct size hose is no longer
available. If the toilet sits on a raised platform the trailer has a holding
tank for the toilet.

SOME 50's Airstreams have a seperate drain/outlet for sink water. He may
need a seperate blue boy or bucket for the sink runoff. If the trailer just
has one exit for all waste water then the sink water will drain out the same
hole as the toilet water. Assuming that the toilet has a tank and the valve
is closed, the gray water will still drain out...there is normally no
provision to collect it except a blue boy or bucket.

The electrical cord will be seperate. Kinda like a heavy duty extension cord
that plugs into a receptical on the outside of the trailer. Hopefully this
will also come with the trailer and be in usable condition.

The ball on the hitch should be 2". And the electrical plug to the tow
vehicle will not be the modern standard unless someone has rewired it. The
plug itself may be OK, you will just need to switch a few wires.

Scott
1960 Overlander

> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:01:27 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> From: Amanda Meeker <goldens510@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: [VAL] '56 Bubble Questions
>
> Hi,
>
> All you late 50s owners out there, I have some dumb questions for you. My
Dad has purchased an original condition 1956 Bubble on the East Coast and is
planning to camp in it as he pulls it back across country. (Yeah, certainly
a little risky, but I've dealt with the seller before and trust that he has
provided honest information about the trailer and the operability of its
systems. It's getting new tires, brakes are good, etc.) Anyway, my Dad
called me this morning to get a list of things he ought to purchase for the
trip. Some things - leveling jacks, drinking water hose, water pressure
regulator, blue boy, etc - are presumably universal, but since my trailer is
a '68, I don't have all the answers for him. For instance, I know that a '56
wouldn't have a holding tank; but if he's at full hookups, I presume he
could use the toilet? What kind of hose adapter would he need (mine's a
Thetford, but I presume his may be different)? Does the gray water drain to
the same outlet as t!
> he toilet? Is a '56 set up with the built-in electrical cord like mine
has? etc...
>
>
> Thanks a lot!!!
>
> Amanda
> '68 Safari
>
> ------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:17:02 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: [VAL] Lansing

I just received confirmation on this.

The International Rally is OPEN to all Airstream/Argosy owners. You do not
need to be a WBCCI member to attend. However you do need to contact
www.WBCCI.org for registration.

The Vintage rendezvous and parade is also open to all Airstream owners.
Please contact Bob Herman at: BobBonHerm8556@xxxxxxxxxx.com

So all you subscribers and friends out there...it is official, you can join
in all the fun!

Scott Scheuermann

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:55:57 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

Tom and all,

Jim sent me some pix a while ago and they are on my site :

http://home.tiac.net/~jtdjtd/aspix/Jim_Smith_Trailer.html

You won't believe the woodwork !

Daisy

Tom wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> Do you have pictures anywhere that we can view?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:40:49 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Generator options

The most common small engine use of diesel engines in the USA is to run
the refrigeration on refrigerated semi trailers. Those are quiet and
would be appropriate power units for generators. The easiest to find
small diesel is a Yanmar about 5 or 9 hp (I've forgotten now), very
heavy for the horsepower compared to a gasoline engine and very costly.

Diesel fuel in the campground is uncommon, while propane can sometimes
be delivered to the campsite. The combustion products of propane are a
great deal friendlier to the atmosphere and to those breathing around
them than those of gasoline and diesel. So much so, that only propane is
used in forklifts (when not electric) inside buildings.

Because diesel engines have a tendency to produce a bit of particulate
matter (black flecks) there is increasing environmental attention being
applied which has begun to demand cleaner burning diesel engines and
fuel. The use of soyoil derived diesel fuel (at least a few percent of
biodiesel) is showing promise as one way to clean up those particulates
and other less visible diesel combustion products.

One of my projects this year is to shoot for producing maybe 1000
bushels of soybeans and further to hope that the current high market
prices linger through harvest. Once the ground dries enough that I can
work it up and warms up enough to make the beans germinate, I'll have to
plant some 3.8 million seed for that production.

Gerald
- -- 
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:03:28 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed?  yet?

Good deal - will do. jw
On 20, Mar 2004, at 4:18 PM, Tom wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Send the pictures to tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
>
> I'll find a place to post them for others to see.  Thanks.
>
> Tom
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] do you have a generator installed? yet?
>
>
>> The generator is an EV-40-10. I bought it from Northern I forgot the 
>> price
>> but I believe the total including shipping was a tad under $3000.00 
>> the
>> generatoe weighs about 210 lb and as installed the whole unit is under
> 300lb. I can
>> get out the digital camera and take photos  and send as an 
>> attachment.I am
> not
>> computer smart enough to post them on the list . if any one wants them
> posted
>> meby they couldcontacr me and I would be happy to send a floppy disk 
>> with
> the
>> instilation.
>> Jim Smith
>>
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