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VAL Digest V1 #188
VAL Digest Monday, March 15 2004 Volume 01 : Number 188
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Disc brakes
RE: [VAL] Black water tank
Re: [VAL] hub/drum/wheel balancing
[VAL] Skyliner antenna information
Re: [VAL] Disc brakes
Re: [VAL] Disc brakes
[VAL] Re: Original Fridge
Re: [VAL] Re: Original Fridge
Re: [VAL] (no subject)...Clearcoat question
RE: [VAL] Re: Original Fridge
[VAL] Re: Lansing
[VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
[VAL] Re: 65 Tradewind
Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
Re: [VAL] Bookbinding my owners manual
[VAL] Interesting "Airstream" on Ebay
[VAL] Watco question
Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #187 - RV insurance
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #187 - Monocoque construction
Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:09:49 -0800 (PST)
From: robert brandt <rdbrandt_1930@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Disc brakes
Does anybody have experience or an opinion on installing disc brakes on an Airstream?
We have a 1969 Caravel, 18 ft. single axle.
Rob and Carole
San Diego
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:31:39 -0500
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Black water tank
Hello Tom,
Thanks for the response. This is an above floor mounting and I guess I
will flip it over, cut a hole for the bottom outlet and secure to the
floor by screwing through that lip. Another question, do I need to
support the weight of the stool off the tank? By this I mean is when I
build the box that will cover the tank should the top of that box
support the weight of the user or will the tank do that? The tank
doesn't seem strong enough, I'm not the smallest guy around!
Also thanks to this group for the feedback on venting, I'm going to vent
the system through the one opening.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler (half plumbed and going out to finish the fresh water
connections. Nothing betting than working with fire, manly tools and
Airstreams, what a great hobby!)
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 10:03 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Black water tank
Ed,
If the picture I have in mind of your tank is correct, that lip around
the edge of the tank is for mounting. If top of floor mounting - the
lip would go downwards, onto the floor, with the tank itself above the
lip. If underfloor mounting - the lip would go upwards, up TO the
bottom of the floor, the tank itself would then hang below the floor.
If mounting underneath the floor the lip would be secured TO the bottom
of the floor, the tank itself would also have to have some support in
the form of hanging straps, brackets, whatever, just as long as it did
NOT depend on the lip mounting hardware to hold it in place all by
itself.
Tom
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From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: "Vintage List" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 5:45 PM
Subject: [VAL] Black water tank
> Hello All,
> I have just purchased an 8 gallon black water tank and trying to
> figure out how to install it. It has a bottom drain and is designed to
> site on the floor There is a side that has a flat lip outside of the
> walls of the tank, does this go to the floor or face up towards the
> stool? The lip side is wider than the other side. I would also assume
> that this lip is designed to secure to either the floor or to the top
> cover. Also any hints on the best way to box it in would be
> appreciated. Thanks Ed
> WBCCI/VAC 4425
> 68 Sovereign
> 59 Traveler
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:40:55 -0600
From: "Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.isunet.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] hub/drum/wheel balancing
http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/MachineryTalk/posts/3250.html
This discussion recommends a heavy powder product to go in the tires to do an automatic
dynamic balance. I've never tried the product.
I'd think a shop that deals in heavy trucks would have the capability of spin balancing
the tires becuase truck rims won't fit on a standard balance machine.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:55:43 -00
From: "John Schubert" <flynya@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Skyliner antenna information
Information on Skyliner antennas can be found at the following link
thanks to the Avion Guy.
www.silveravion.nieus.com/Maintenance/Manuals/TV%20Antenna/index1.htm
John
Midwest Flying Service
Aircraft Maintenance
Authorized CorrosionX Treatment Center
Mobile Service
913-682-7230
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:25:23 -0500
From: "Myrna Warren" <uncleneal@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Disc brakes
You have to have a rather expensive actuator to make them work. They are
better brakes than the electric drums, but more expensive. Some of the
Airstreams came with hydraulic disks in the past. Probably not really
needed with a light trailer.
Neal
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From: "robert brandt" <rdbrandt_1930@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 1:09 AM
Subject: [VAL] Disc brakes
> Does anybody have experience or an opinion on installing disc brakes on an
Airstream? We have a 1969 Caravel, 18 ft. single axle.
>
> Rob and Carole
> San Diego
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:20:46 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Disc brakes
Has anyone you know ever replaced the drum brakes with disc brakes on their
Airstream trailer before? I'd love to do this with our 1995 Classic. Does
anyone know what parts might cost for the actuators, pads, etc.? Any ideas
out there?
What about anti-skid technology for our Airstream trailers - is it even
available yet?
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "Myrna Warren" <uncleneal@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> You have to have a rather expensive actuator to make them work. They are
> better brakes than the electric drums, but more expensive. Some of the
> Airstreams came with hydraulic disks in the past. Probably not really
> needed with a light trailer.
> Neal
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:34:09 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Original Fridge
Hi All,
While they were working on Pearl at the plant they got the original
fridge up and running, even making ice. Question--- I'm thinking about
replacing the fridge anyway out of fear that it will stop working
during the International or when I'm on the road. Should I risk it and
keep the original? It's so cool. Anyone still using an oldie that just
won't quit? (what's another $1000 when I've already broke the bank)
Another reason for replacement now is the original only works on
propane so there is no 110 plug behind it. The plant has replaced ALL
the original wiring and they know how to add the plug. I can hardly
wait to pick her up next weekend!!
Patti
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:33:43 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Original Fridge
Patti,
Will we get to see pictures? Please?
Why not have them add the 110vac plug IF it won't cost you another fortune,
I would.
When the inside liner of our old Dometic refer cracked we could no longer
close the door properly much less securely. This was when we decided to go
with a new Norcold 8cu.ft. refrig and it is still working - that was back in
1988.
Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:34 PM
Subject: [VAL] Re: Original Fridge
> Hi All,
>
>
> While they were working on Pearl at the plant they got the original
> fridge up and running, even making ice. Question--- I'm thinking about
> replacing the fridge anyway out of fear that it will stop working
> during the International or when I'm on the road. Should I risk it and
> keep the original? It's so cool. Anyone still using an oldie that just
> won't quit? (what's another $1000 when I've already broke the bank)
> Another reason for replacement now is the original only works on
> propane so there is no 110 plug behind it. The plant has replaced ALL
> the original wiring and they know how to add the plug. I can hardly
> wait to pick her up next weekend!!
>
> Patti
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:57:44 -0500
From: "Jim Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] (no subject)...Clearcoat question
Grame, Amanda's suggestion is the way to go. I used it and recommended it to
her. It works like a charm and is fast and safe. It beats anything else out
there hands down.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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From: "Graeme Thickins" <graeme@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] (no subject)...Clearcoat question
> To Andy (Inland RV Center) --
>
> You said "Airstream is no different. They also don't
> advertise the clear coat problem of years past."
> What's the problem you're referring to here?
>
> Also, does anyone out there have recommendations
> for the best stripper to use to remove clearcoat,
> and the proper procedure for doing it?
>
> many thanks,
> Graeme Thickins
> Minneapolis
> '67 Safari "International"
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:05:05 -0600
From: "Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.isunet.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Original Fridge
When it fails, a sack or two of ice will hold the groceries for a couple days at a
time. But if it works now, it should work a while, so long as you keep it level.
While they are working in that area adding a 110 volt outlet for the next refrigerator
is easy and inexpensive. You should do that now, and keep the classic refrigerator so
long as it works.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:51:21 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Lansing
Any information regarding the pre-International meeting spot for the
VAC? (the night before the VAC parade into the rally)
Patti
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:38:30 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
All,
I'm relisting this plea for help in locating some curtain track for
I'm having the dickens of a time locating the upper curtain track for
over the galley in my 1969 Caravel. It's the 3" wide extruded aluminum type
that's 90 degrees on one side and 45 degrees on the other with the 1/4" wide
track running down the center. The total length needed is 5" 6".
In addition, I'm looking for the gold anodized I-beam style lower
curtain track and attachments for under the front windows.
Does anyone have an idea as to where I can get these two pieces? I have
a scanned isometric drawing I made of them for anyone wanting to see the
specific shapes. I could try attaching it to a return email or could fax it
to you.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Glyn
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:28:39 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Do you have any pictures?
Tom
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From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:38 PM
Subject: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
> All,
>
> I'm relisting this plea for help in locating some curtain track for
>
> I'm having the dickens of a time locating the upper curtain track for
> over the galley in my 1969 Caravel. It's the 3" wide extruded aluminum
type
> that's 90 degrees on one side and 45 degrees on the other with the 1/4"
wide
> track running down the center. The total length needed is 5" 6".
>
> In addition, I'm looking for the gold anodized I-beam style lower
> curtain track and attachments for under the front windows.
>
> Does anyone have an idea as to where I can get these two pieces? I
have
> a scanned isometric drawing I made of them for anyone wanting to see the
> specific shapes. I could try attaching it to a return email or could fax
it
> to you.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
>
> Glyn
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:38:56 -0600
From: "Buddy" <buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Glyn wrote:
"Does anyone have an idea as to where I can get these two pieces? I have
a scanned isometric drawing I made of them for anyone wanting to see the
specific shapes. I could try attaching it to a return email or could fax it
to you."
Glyn, I have some pieces of Curtain track from an old AS, can't remember
which year. Please email the drawing to me and I'll check what I have. If
it'll work you are welcome to it for shipping costs.
Buddy Atwood
buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:58:44 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Buddy,
I'll attach a scanned image to you in the event you can open it and make
heads or tails of it. Failing that, I could fax it to you if you'd kindly
send me your number.
I need 5' 6" of track #3 and 6' 10" of track #4.
The dimensions are 3" wide for #3 and the I-beam is 5/8" high and 3/16"
wide at the top and bottom.
Thanks,
Glyn
> From: "Buddy" <buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:38:56 -0600
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
>
> Glyn wrote:
>
> "Does anyone have an idea as to where I can get these two pieces? I have
> a scanned isometric drawing I made of them for anyone wanting to see the
> specific shapes. I could try attaching it to a return email or could fax it
> to you."
>
> Glyn, I have some pieces of Curtain track from an old AS, can't remember
> which year. Please email the drawing to me and I'll check what I have. If
> it'll work you are welcome to it for shipping costs.
>
> Buddy Atwood
> buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:01:54 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Tom,
I rescanned the isometric drawings I made and have attached them to this
email.
I need 6 feet of track #3 and 6' 10" of track #4.
They read 3" wide for #3 and 5/8" high and 3/16" wide for the I-beam
shown as #4.
again, let me know if you can read the scan. If not send me a fax
number if you have one and I'll send the original to you.
Thanks,
Glyn
> From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:28:39 -0500
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
>
> Do you have any pictures?
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:38 PM
> Subject: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
>
>
>> All,
>>
>> I'm relisting this plea for help in locating some curtain track for
>>
>> I'm having the dickens of a time locating the upper curtain track for
>> over the galley in my 1969 Caravel. It's the 3" wide extruded aluminum
> type
>> that's 90 degrees on one side and 45 degrees on the other with the 1/4"
> wide
>> track running down the center. The total length needed is 5" 6".
>>
>> In addition, I'm looking for the gold anodized I-beam style lower
>> curtain track and attachments for under the front windows.
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea as to where I can get these two pieces? I
> have
>> a scanned isometric drawing I made of them for anyone wanting to see the
>> specific shapes. I could try attaching it to a return email or could fax
> it
>> to you.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help,
>>
>> Glyn
>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:04:38 EST
From: AlanTBird@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: 65 Tradewind
I have recently Aquired a 65 Tradewind that I took on a shakedown trip this
weekend!
It passed with flying colors! Some WD40 and all systems are working fine!!!!
Only this am I discovered the little floating ball next to the Couch that
showes the water level!!!!/.....Gotta love that simple engineering!!!! I only
intend to play with it for a short time and then pass it on to someone else who
would like to own such a unit.
I got it from the Orig. owners brother and it's soo original~ down to the
complete set of Melmac dinnerware!!!! Any one who is or knows anyone interested
should contact me off list for more particulars.
AlanT
Phx Az
65 Tradewind
78 Arg. 30
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:03:26 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
Tom,
Let's try that again, this time sent to you and with the attachment.
I rescanned the isometric drawings I made and have attached them to
this email.
I need 6 feet of track #3 and 6' 10" of track #4.
They read 3" wide for #3 and 5/8" high and 3/16" wide for the I-beam
shown as #4.
again, let me know if you can read the scan. If not send me a fax
number if you have one and I'll send the original to you.
Thanks,
Glyn
> From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:28:39 -0500
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
>
> Do you have any pictures?
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:38 PM
> Subject: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
>
>
>> All,
>>
>> I'm relisting this plea for help in locating some curtain track for
>>
>> I'm having the dickens of a time locating the upper curtain track for
>> over the galley in my 1969 Caravel. It's the 3" wide extruded aluminum
> type
>> that's 90 degrees on one side and 45 degrees on the other with the 1/4"
> wide
>> track running down the center. The total length needed is 5" 6".
>>
>> In addition, I'm looking for the gold anodized I-beam style lower
>> curtain track and attachments for under the front windows.
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea as to where I can get these two pieces? I
> have
>> a scanned isometric drawing I made of them for anyone wanting to see the
>> specific shapes. I could try attaching it to a return email or could fax
> it
>> to you.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help,
>>
>> Glyn
>>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:08:17 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
All,
My apologies to you for sending my posts to the list instead of to Tom
and Buddy directly, back channel. I must have had my head under my wing two
times in a row.
Sorry again for any inconvenience,
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:12:53 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
I got them.
Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
> Tom,
>
> Let's try that again, this time sent to you and with the attachment.
>
>
> I rescanned the isometric drawings I made and have attached them to
> this email.
>
> I need 6 feet of track #3 and 6' 10" of track #4.
>
> They read 3" wide for #3 and 5/8" high and 3/16" wide for the I-beam
> shown as #4.
>
> again, let me know if you can read the scan. If not send me a fax
> number if you have one and I'll send the original to you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glyn
>
>
>
> > From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
> > Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:28:39 -0500
> > To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
> >
> > Do you have any pictures?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:38 PM
> > Subject: [VAL] Curtain track needed, relisting
> >
> >
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I'm relisting this plea for help in locating some curtain track for
> >>
> >> I'm having the dickens of a time locating the upper curtain track for
> >> over the galley in my 1969 Caravel. It's the 3" wide extruded aluminum
> > type
> >> that's 90 degrees on one side and 45 degrees on the other with the 1/4"
> > wide
> >> track running down the center. The total length needed is 5" 6".
> >>
> >> In addition, I'm looking for the gold anodized I-beam style lower
> >> curtain track and attachments for under the front windows.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have an idea as to where I can get these two pieces? I
> > have
> >> a scanned isometric drawing I made of them for anyone wanting to see
the
> >> specific shapes. I could try attaching it to a return email or could
fax
> > it
> >> to you.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any help,
> >>
> >> Glyn
> >>
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:39:05 -0500
From: "Robin Leigh" <rgleigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
Curtis,
I removed the original Dometic from our '65 Tradewind in an attempt to
replace the electric heater element. There are carriage bolts through the
steel angle 'skids' which hold the unit to the floor: the nuts are
accessible from below by removing the screen from the belly intake vent. I
also removed the rivets through the aluminum trim on the left side (next to
the coach door in our Airstream). The refrigerator was removed with the
counter top attached. There are several screws fastening the back of the
counter top to the vent duct and screws in a spacer between the right side
panel and the broom closet. With the gas and electrical connections loose,
it came out easily.
It you are not replacing the refrigerator, I strongly recommend that
while you have it out, you remove the sheet metal around the boiler at the
back and inspect the tubing. Ours was heavily rusted; I cleaned it up and
repainted it with engine enamel. It stopped smelling on new paint after a
day or two. The local Dometic dealer confirmed that rust is the main threat
to longevity of older units.
OBTW- I was unable to replace the electric heater because the shell of
the original was very tightly bound in its tube. It was not worth the risk
of damaging the boiler tubing by using force to remove it. The previous
owner had installed a smaller element, but it burned out, presumably because
it did not contact the tubing around it well enough to transfer the heat.
Good Luck,
Robin Leigh.
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:36:48 -00
From: "John Schubert" <flynya@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bookbinding my owners manual
I took my original owners & copied service manuals out of that spiral
stuff and put each page in a plastic sleeve protector then put them
in a blue zippered 3 ring binder with any other pertinent
instructions, forms, etc. Looks great and I dont have to worry about
smudging the pages or ruining it with a spilled beer.
John
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:08:05 -0800
From: "Arlen & Shirley" <globetrotter64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Interesting "Airstream" on Ebay
Words are not adequate to describe this neat miniature Airstream currently
offered on ebay! Go check out 3595358526. I am in NO WAY involved with
this offering, but doesn't it capture the flavor of "the hunt" of looking
for an old Airstream trailer? (If you are unfamiliar with die cast
miniature models, this is actually a MUCH modified Motor City Classics 1:18
scale Airstream. The "stock" version is actually a very nicely made and
detailed model - currently available and reasonably priced.)
Arlen Manning
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:15:54 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Watco question
Got a simple question, I think - can you use stain first then cover with
Watco, or does Watco need to be used on bare wood.
Does anyone know what color/colors Airstream used for stain in the late 50's
Thanks!
Ken J.
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:58:42 -0700
From: "phelock" <phelock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
Thanks,
Curtis
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:55:17 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #187 - RV insurance
This emphasizes the need to ask questions and to read your policy.
According to Progressive, if the trailer was being towed and came loose
any damage would be covered by the tow vehicle's liability insurance. For
your trailer to be covered you would have to have a rider on your tow
vehicle policy to cover the trailer itself, or a policy on the trailer
that covered it.
A trailer that comes loose is like a load that falls out of your pickup
bed. It should be covered, but again, ask questions and read your policy.
Al
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:09:27 -0800
> > From: "John Wilson" <katyree@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > Subject: [VAL] Insurance Resources-72 Globetrotter.
> >
> > Any suggestions for insurance ?
> > I understand the liability goes with the vehicle insurance but if you
want collision, comprehensive or towing you may want to use a alternative
insurer.
> > Received some fairly high quotes from Good Sam.
> > Anyone found alternatives?
> > John
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:10:08 -0600
> From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #186 - Travel trailer insurance
>
> Liability insurance-- I was told that the tow vehicle's liability
insurance covered any accident the trailer might get into as long as the
trailer was attached to the tow vehicle. If the trailer came
disconnected there would be no liability insurance. Seems like another
loophole in the insurance industry to make more money.
> Dan
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:15:16 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #187 - Monocoque construction
"Monocoque" is "unitary construction" with no separate frame.
"Semi-monocoque" is a body that provides part of the strength and most of
the stiffness, like old Volkswagen Beetles. The body is rigidly bolted,
or even welded, to the frame. This is the way AS and most other AS-like
aluminum trailers are constructed. AS is the standard by which others are
judged. Some have been superior to AS in some ways; most have been
inferior to AS.
Separate body and frame construction has all the strength in the
underframe. The body is fastened to the frame with flexible joints,
usually cushions, that reduce noise transmission from the chassis (frame
and running gear) into the body. Our Chevy van is separate body and frame
construction. Pre-1996 Chevy/GMC vans were unit body
(unibody/unitary/monocoque) construction. The front and rear suspensions
were on subframes that were bolted to the body, with no frame rails
running under the body from the front to the rear subframes. Some
vehicles have had separate body and frame construction with relatively
flimsy frames and a stiff, strong body, muddling the distinction between
semi-monocoque and separate body and frame construction.
Al
> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:00:06 -0800
> From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #185 - Stiffness, rigidity
>
> Tom: does your statement hold for the old AS trailers as well or is
there a pre-monocoque cutoff date?
...............................................
> Jo Ann
> On 12, Mar 2004, at 10:27 PM, waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>
> > Airstreams and similar trailers such as Avion, Silver Streak,
Streamline, etc., are semi-monocoque construction. The body provides a
large part of the strength of the trailer, especially stiffness.
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:12:43 -0700
From: "phelock" <phelock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
Gary,
I think it is the original. Yes it is the M52.
There are no holes in the belly pan under the fridge.
Thanks,
Curtis
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:13:52 -0700
From: "phelock" <phelock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
Thanks,
Curtis
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:15:05 -0700
From: "phelock" <phelock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
Thanks Ed,
Curtis
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:19:13 -0700
From: "phelock" <phelock@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Refrigerator removal
Thanks Robin,
Curtis
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