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VAL Digest Saturday, March 6 2004 Volume 01 : Number 179
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Topics in Today's Digest:
Re:[VAL] Re: Reese
[VAL] Re:battery placement
[VAL] Airstream coffee
Re: [VAL] Airstream coffee
Re: [VAL] Airstream coffee
Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Re: [VAL] Airstream coffee
[VAL] New to the group!
Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Re: [VAL] Airstream coffee
Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Re: [VAL] New to the group!
Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Re: [VAL] New to the group!
[VAL] battery placement
Re: [VAL] RE: Airstream Flooring
Re: [VAL] battery placement
Re: [VAL] battery placement
[VAL] "Clean room" Airstreams
Re: [VAL] "Clean room" Airstreams
Re: [VAL] "Clean room" Airstreams
Re: [VAL] "Clean room" Airstreams
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:31:00 +0900 (JST)
From: fryckman@xxxxxxxxxx.att.ne.jp
Subject: Re:[VAL] Re: Reese
Thanks to all for leak advice. My pipes are above floor (78) and I will check all the places suggested.
Jeff
P.S. Experience is truly wisdom! Thanks again.
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:58:34 -0600
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re:battery placement
I am in the process of adding additional batteries to my 69 caravel. I have
room on the tongue for two and would like to have two more. Is there a
problem with having two in the back and two in the front?? I understand
that it would take a very heavy wire to connect them.
Dan
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:06:30 -0600
From: Chris Koehn <timberguides@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Airstream coffee
Anyone from or visiting the Milwaukee area or on their way to Door
County might enjoy stopping for a cup of really good coffee at the
Airstream converted to a drive through coffee shop on Hwy C just west
of Interstate 43 in Cedarburg. Looks like a late '70's. Pretty snappy!
Chris Koehn
'79 Int'l Soveriegn
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:56:10 -0700
From: "Forrest" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream coffee
Chris,
Do you have any pictures of the Airstream coffee stop you could post?
Forrest
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:27:44 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream coffee
Hi Chris,
Any chance you can get a picture of this beauty?
Tom
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From: "Chris Koehn" <timberguides@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:06 AM
Subject: [VAL] Airstream coffee
> Anyone from or visiting the Milwaukee area or on their way to Door
> County might enjoy stopping for a cup of really good coffee at the
> Airstream converted to a drive through coffee shop on Hwy C just west
> of Interstate 43 in Cedarburg. Looks like a late '70's. Pretty snappy!
>
> Chris Koehn
> '79 Int'l Soveriegn
>
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:28:51 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Why do you think you need to do this 4-battery deal?
Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: [VAL] Re:battery placement
> I am in the process of adding additional batteries to my 69 caravel. I
have
> room on the tongue for two and would like to have two more. Is there a
> problem with having two in the back and two in the front?? I understand
> that it would take a very heavy wire to connect them.
> Dan
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:48:12 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
I would stay away from the back, you'll lose your tongue weight. In
addition, that much weight anywhere is pushing the design. Bent frames
are expensive.
why do you need 4 batteries ?
Daisy
Dan Childress wrote:
> I am in the process of adding additional batteries to my 69 caravel. I have
> room on the tongue for two and would like to have two more. Is there a
> problem with having two in the back and two in the front?? I understand
> that it would take a very heavy wire to connect them.
> Dan
>
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:59:38 -0600
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
We are unable to tolerate lp and have taken the lp tanks off and are looking
for an additional energy source. Possible solar assistance. I understand
that total solar will be a stretch. We are seeking a two to four day remote
stay using only the batteries and tow vehicle for energy.
Dan
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
> Why do you think you need to do this 4-battery deal?
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:58 AM
> Subject: [VAL] Re:battery placement
>
>
> > I am in the process of adding additional batteries to my 69 caravel. I
> have
> > room on the tongue for two and would like to have two more. Is there a
> > problem with having two in the back and two in the front?? I understand
> > that it would take a very heavy wire to connect them.
> > Dan
> >
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:15:38 -0600
From: Kurt Anderson <kurt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream coffee
Chris:
I live in Green Bay and travel to Milwaukee and beyond frequently. I would
love to stop and see it. How did you find it??
If you want to contact me off list my email is
kurt@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Thanks for the tip.
Kurt
On 3/5/04 9:06 AM, "Chris Koehn" <timberguides@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
> Anyone from or visiting the Milwaukee area or on their way to Door
> County might enjoy stopping for a cup of really good coffee at the
> Airstream converted to a drive through coffee shop on Hwy C just west
> of Interstate 43 in Cedarburg. Looks like a late '70's. Pretty snappy!
>
> Chris Koehn
> '79 Int'l Soveriegn
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 16:51:03 -0500
From: "Richard Atherley" <safehome4u@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] New to the group!
Hello all! Just a quick note to intruduce myself. My name is Richard and I
am the new and proud owner of a Vintage 1977 Sovereign Airstream! My wife
and I are so excited! We will be using it for the first time this coming
June in Florida. If anyone has ANY advice on this model, please feel free to
post or email me as per below. Looking forward to all kinds of great
information!!!
Richard
safehome4u@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:58:28 -0600
From: "Dean L." <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
You can't heat or cool with a battery.
You could only run your microwave for a short time with batteries.
The only thing you could do is get a 4 kw generator.
See You On The Road
Dean L.
WBCCI 2486
On Mar 5, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Dan Childress wrote:
> We are unable to tolerate lp and have taken the lp tanks off and are
> looking
> for an additional energy source. Possible solar assistance. I
> understand
> that total solar will be a stretch. We are seeking a two to four day
> remote
> stay using only the batteries and tow vehicle for energy.
> Dan
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:25:01 -0600
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Sorry, I cannot use a generator. Gas and exhaust fumes make life unbearable.
I have found that electric blankets can be used for additional heat while
sleeping.
I understand that the Air Conditioner use is not practical with battery
power.
Dan
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From: "Dean L." <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
> You can't heat or cool with a battery.
> You could only run your microwave for a short time with batteries.
> The only thing you could do is get a 4 kw generator.
>
>
> See You On The Road
> Dean L.
> WBCCI 2486
>
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Dan Childress wrote:
>
> > We are unable to tolerate lp and have taken the lp tanks off and are
> > looking
> > for an additional energy source. Possible solar assistance. I
> > understand
> > that total solar will be a stretch. We are seeking a two to four day
> > remote
> > stay using only the batteries and tow vehicle for energy.
> > Dan
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:51:28 -0500
From: Bob Patterson <bpatt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream coffee
http://www.onmilwaukee.com/buzz/articles/airstream.html
At 11:56 AM 3/5/2004, you wrote:
>Chris,
>
>Do you have any pictures of the Airstream coffee stop you could post?
>
>Forrest
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:00:11 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Have you done the numbers on this ? electric everything takes a lot of
juice. You might be better off to get a generator. The Hondas are very
quiet and mine started up like a dream after a winter on no use.
If you can use the generator to cook and bring the fridge down to temp
and heat up the water, you should be ok with 2 batteries. I might double
insulate the fridge. You probably need to think quick cooking too.
Can you use a white gas coleman stove outside ?
Solar will charge you up, but still not enough to go all electric,even
in the desert.
Maybe you can rig a solar hot water heater, they make them in pretty big
sizes for camping.
where are you planning to go and how rustic can you get ?
Dan Childress wrote:
> We are unable to tolerate lp and have taken the lp tanks off and are looking
> for an additional energy source. Possible solar assistance. I understand
> that total solar will be a stretch. We are seeking a two to four day remote
> stay using only the batteries and tow vehicle for energy.
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
>
>
>
>>Why do you think you need to do this 4-battery deal?
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>>Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:58 AM
>>Subject: [VAL] Re:battery placement
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am in the process of adding additional batteries to my 69 caravel. I
>>
>>have
>>
>>>room on the tongue for two and would like to have two more. Is there a
>>>problem with having two in the back and two in the front?? I understand
>>>that it would take a very heavy wire to connect them.
>>>Dan
>>>
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:03:32 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] New to the group!
Welcome to the list Richard, Ask away, we have experts at everything
here, and also opinions.
Daisy
Richard Atherley wrote:
> Hello all! Just a quick note to intruduce myself. My name is Richard and
> I am the new and proud owner of a Vintage 1977 Sovereign Airstream! My
> wife and I are so excited! We will be using it for the first time this
> coming June in Florida. If anyone has ANY advice on this model, please
> feel free to post or email me as per below. Looking forward to all kinds
> of great information!!!
>
> Richard
> safehome4u@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:23:57 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Dan, I'm not sure this is going to work.
You will need to add up all the amp hours of the appliances you want to
use and see what that totals out to.
Unless you use the Airstream as a tent and live the way we did in those
days, cook over open fire, heat water over open fire, put on tons of
clothes, sleep in a down bag and don't bathe until you get home, you
need to upgrade to a huge motor home that is designed to carry the
number of batteries you need and has room on the roof for multiple solar
panels.
Daisy
Dan Childress wrote:
> Sorry, I cannot use a generator. Gas and exhaust fumes make life unbearable.
> I have found that electric blankets can be used for additional heat while
> sleeping.
> I understand that the Air Conditioner use is not practical with battery
> power.
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean L." <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 3:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
>
>
>
>>You can't heat or cool with a battery.
>>You could only run your microwave for a short time with batteries.
>>The only thing you could do is get a 4 kw generator.
>>
>>
>>See You On The Road
>>Dean L.
>>WBCCI 2486
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mar 5, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Dan Childress wrote:
>>
>>
>>>We are unable to tolerate lp and have taken the lp tanks off and are
>>>looking
>>>for an additional energy source. Possible solar assistance. I
>>>understand
>>>that total solar will be a stretch. We are seeking a two to four day
>>>remote
>>>stay using only the batteries and tow vehicle for energy.
>>>Dan
>>
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 21:06:03 -0800
From: "michelle" <safoocat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
There are alcohol stoves as well as kerosene
Optimus i believe was the brand i used on my sail boat.
michelle
"We make a living by what we get,
we make a life by what we give."
Sir Winston Churchill
We are unable to tolerate lp and have taken the lp tanks off and are looking
for an additional energy source. Possible solar assistance. I understand
that total solar will be a stretch. We are seeking a two to four day remote
stay using only the batteries and tow vehicle for energy.
Dan
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:14:44 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
Batteries at the back of the trailer are going to have the greatest
effect of bending the frame and are going to have the roughest of rides.
That makes them a poor prospect for the rear. The connection between
them requires two sturdy wires.
BAtteries in parallel need to have the same ratings, need to have the
same charging and load voltages. The easiest way to keep that is to have
all the batteries at the same temperature and having been assembled,
charged at the same time and having the same specific gravity
electrolyte. Otherwise some batteries will be overcharged and some won't
be fully charged leading to loss of energy and battery life. Battery
voltage rises with temperature so batteries warmed by the sun will try
to charge those in the shade and the net result will be loss of stored
energy.
Having an allergy to LP combustion products means camping except in
complete isolation is going to be very difficult. LP is the universal
fuel for heating and cooking in ALL RVs and the furnace vents are low on
the sidewalls putting those fumes into the breathing air of all campers.
Its generally accepted that propane combustion products are the least
bothersome, that's why LP is often used to run fork lifts inside
buildings. Chemically part of it is because other internal combustion
engine fuels are far more complex, especially gasoline, diesel fuel, and
natural gas. Hydrogen is the cleanest fuel though its the most difficult
to keep in containers and not yet commercially viable.
My experience last summer was that a fully charged size 27 deep cycle
battery didn't run the small vent fan in my Caravel two nights would
hint that a dozen wouldn't run an electric blanket overnight in chilly
weather. On the other hand down comforters or sleeping bags hold enough
body heat for really cold climates without anything by normal body heat.
There is a great need for a number of thin layers so the amount of
insulation needed for a particular temperature can be selected, else one
can never be comfortable.
Cooking from battery power, especially with microwave leads to rapid
battery discharge.
The magazine known as Home Power Magazine has a long history of
discussing alternate energy. They are practical, the staff lives and
works miles beyond the end of the power line. There magazines (recent
issues available on their web site, the rest available on CD-ROM)
contain a compendium of the considerations for living without electric
power line, getting the necessary electric power from photovoltaic
panels and the occasional wind generator and getting hot water from
solar panels and otherwise conserving on the use of energy.
Gerald J.
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:14:48 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:battery placement
As Daisy says, add up the ampere hours with 12 volt supply, not 120 volt
supply. Then multiply by a factor of about 1.2 to include the
inefficiencies of the 120 volt inverter.
Better determine the current requirement, multiply by the voltage
(typically 120 volts), and then by the time of use to get watt hours.
Alternatively watts times time of use is close for most appliances. Add
up the loads in watt hours, multiply the total by 1.2 to account for the
inefficiency of any inverter used, then divide by 12 volts to determine
the ampere hours needed. In most households the resulting number is far
beyond the capacity of any four deep cycle batteries of a size moveable
by one man.
Gerald J.
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:25:06 -0700
From: "gshippen" <gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] New to the group!
Congratulations Richard,
Hope you enjoy your Airstream and all the places you see while using it!
Happy Trails, Gerald Shippen
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Atherley" <safehome4u@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:51 PM
Subject: [VAL] New to the group!
> Hello all! Just a quick note to intruduce myself. My name is Richard and I
> am the new and proud owner of a Vintage 1977 Sovereign Airstream! My wife
> and I are so excited! We will be using it for the first time this coming
> June in Florida. If anyone has ANY advice on this model, please feel free
to
> post or email me as per below. Looking forward to all kinds of great
> information!!!
>
> Richard
> safehome4u@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:20:50 -0500
From: joepatwink@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Joe Winkler)
Subject: [VAL] battery placement
Dan,
If gas fumes make you sick perhaps you should look into a alcohol burning cook stove.
They used to make them for boats, I bet somebody still sells them. An old fashion ice box
from a camper in the 50's or early 60's would take care of the frig. Then all you have left
is sleeping, and down fill sleeping bags or multiple large dogs can take care of that
problem.
Joe in Wyoming
(where it snowed today)
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:33:19 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: Airstream Flooring
Erica,
Thanks for the suggestion. As a matter of coincidence, we bought the
flooring in our kitchen and service porch from them several years ago. I'll
go there tomorrow. I never thought to check with them.
Glyn
> From: "Erica Haaseth" <eriboberi@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:16:07 -0800
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] RE: Airstream Flooring
>
> Glynn,
> Linoleum City is local here in Los Angeles. Take a piece in to the store to
> match.
> Erica
> 1966 Safari
>
>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>>> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>>> Date: 2/24/04 5:54:58 PM
>>> Subject: [VAL] Interior floor tile source
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I have a beige or tan marble pattern, 12" square floor tile from my
>> '69
>>> Caravel sitting next to me as I type this. I'm looking for a source for
>>> these tiles (the original pattern if it's still available).
>>>
>>> I checked Armstrong, Concoleum, Takkett and Winton on the net and
>> came
>>> up blank.
>>>
>>> Can anyone help with:
>>>
>>> 1. The style name
>>> 2. A supply source
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Glyn Judson
>>> 1969 Caravel #508
>>> Santa Monica CA
>>>
>
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:45:37 -0600
From: Daniel Childress <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] battery placement
>Joe, Daisy, Michelle, Dr G. & Others.
Thanks for all your information. My caravel has one battery in the
rear at present. Thought that one additional should not create a
problem, as we do not plan to carry much in the black water tank.
Also most of the time we will be parked at a modern park and will use
their power. I am looking to be as independent as possible. Dr. G.
do you think that the additional battery in the rear will create a
problem? I understand that all batteries should be the same in size,
brand, and age. Maybe a ice chest would work for the refridg. We do
have a Siberian Husky. Sorry about the snow. I found a electric
blanket that pulls less that 100 watts. Set on low it will take off
the first chill. We are looking for the best possible housing. We
have problems in hotels, ect. due to the smoking and cleaning
products that they use. Anyone else have any suggestions.
Dan
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 23:03:25 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] battery placement
100 watts at 12 volts is about 10 amps. One good 12 volt deep cycle
battery can run that for about 9 hours and then has to be charged to be
able to do that the next night. To charge that much in a day takes a
couple thousand bucks in solar panels.
There will be LP combustion fumes in every modern park in the cooler
weather as all the furnaces run on LP with the vents in the side walls.
I think batteries should be up on the tongue, not out back. There's less
shock there and the batteries add to instead of take away from tongue
weight.
The refrigerator works fairly well as an icebox though a $2.89 foam
cooler works better (keeps longer). With a couple such coolers in the
back of my truck and ice in the refrigerator (the refrigerator in my
Caravel hasn't worked in a long time, a project I need to work on) I've
camped with my dad for three or four days without adding ice.
I don't like sleeping with wires, so I've never slept under an electric
blanket. I've know of injuries and death from electric blankets and
heating pads due to mistreatment (wadding up the blanket around the
power cord) or mistakes in manufacture.
Gerald J.
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:22:37 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] "Clean room" Airstreams
Dan:
There is an outfit in New England that converts old
Airstreams into "clean trailers" for those people who have
chemical sensitivities to the materials installed in factory
trailers. I can't recall the company's name, but a search
in Tom Patterson's archives should bring it up. Or perhaps
someone else reading this message might recall the name off
the top of their head and post it. In any event, you might
visit their web site for inspiration and ideas on how to
achieve your design goals, which they have been similarly
pursuing for several years.
Fred Coldwell
Daniel Childress wrote:
>
> >Joe, Daisy, Michelle, Dr G. & Others.
>
> Thanks for all your information. My caravel has one battery in the
> rear at present. Thought that one additional should not create a
> problem, as we do not plan to carry much in the black water tank.
> Also most of the time we will be parked at a modern park and will use
> their power. I am looking to be as independent as possible. Dr. G.
> do you think that the additional battery in the rear will create a
> problem? I understand that all batteries should be the same in size,
> brand, and age. Maybe a ice chest would work for the refridg. We do
> have a Siberian Husky. Sorry about the snow. I found a electric
> blanket that pulls less that 100 watts. Set on low it will take off
> the first chill. We are looking for the best possible housing. We
> have problems in hotels, ect. due to the smoking and cleaning
> products that they use. Anyone else have any suggestions.
> Dan
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:27:13 -0700
From: Maxwell <maxwell@insideout-design.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] "Clean room" Airstreams
Here's a link to the site Fred was talking about...good luck!
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Shari Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter
WBCCI #1824, VAC
www.wbcci-denco.org
www.InsideOut-Design.net/Maxwell
Fred Coldwell wrote:
>Dan:
>
> There is an outfit in New England that converts old
>Airstreams into "clean trailers" for those people who have
>chemical sensitivities to the materials installed in factory
>trailers. I can't recall the company's name, but a search
>in Tom Patterson's archives should bring it up. Or perhaps
>someone else reading this message might recall the name off
>the top of their head and post it. In any event, you might
>visit their web site for inspiration and ideas on how to
>achieve your design goals, which they have been similarly
>pursuing for several years.
>
>
>Fred Coldwell
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:28:27 -0700
From: Maxwell <maxwell@insideout-design.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] "Clean room" Airstreams
Oooppps! Here it is: http://www.healthy-homes.com/trailers.htm
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'64 GlobeTrotter
WBCCI #1824, VACwww.wbcci-denco.orgwww.InsideOut-Design.net/Maxwell
Fred Coldwell wrote:
Dan:
There is an outfit in New England that converts old
Airstreams into "clean trailers" for those people who have
chemical sensitivities to the materials installed in factory
trailers. I can't recall the company's name, but a search
in Tom Patterson's archives should bring it up. Or perhaps
someone else reading this message might recall the name off
the top of their head and post it. In any event, you might
visit their web site for inspiration and ideas on how to
achieve your design goals, which they have been similarly
pursuing for several years.
Fred Coldwell
Daniel Childress wrote:
Joe, Daisy, Michelle, Dr G. & Others.
Thanks for all your information. My caravel has one battery in the
rear at present. Thought that one additional should not create a
problem, as we do not plan to carry much in the black water tank.
Also most of the time we will be parked at a modern park and will use
their power. I am looking to be as independent as possible. Dr. G.
do you think that the additional battery in the rear will create a
problem? I understand that all batteries should be the same in size,
brand, and age. Maybe a ice chest would work for the refridg. We do
have a Siberian Husky. Sorry about the snow. I found a electric
blanket that pulls less that 100 watts. Set on low it will take off
the first chill. We are looking for the best possible housing. We
have problems in hotels, ect. due to the smoking and cleaning
products that they use. Anyone else have any suggestions.
Dan
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:28:22 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] "Clean room" Airstreams
Hey guys -
It's Tad Taylor's Healthy Homes at this url:
www.healthy-homes.com/
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT
on 3/5/04 10:22 PM, Fred Coldwell at agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> Dan:
>
> There is an outfit in New England that converts old
> Airstreams into "clean trailers" for those people who have
> chemical sensitivities to the materials installed in factory
> trailers. I can't recall the company's name, but a search
> in Tom Patterson's archives should bring it up. Or perhaps
> someone else reading this message might recall the name off
> the top of their head and post it. In any event, you might
> visit their web site for inspiration and ideas on how to
> achieve your design goals, which they have been similarly
> pursuing for several years.
>
>
> Fred Coldwell
>
> Daniel Childress wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, Daisy, Michelle, Dr G. & Others.
>>
>> Thanks for all your information. My caravel has one battery in the
>> rear at present. Thought that one additional should not create a
>> problem, as we do not plan to carry much in the black water tank.
>> Also most of the time we will be parked at a modern park and will use
>> their power. I am looking to be as independent as possible. Dr. G.
>> do you think that the additional battery in the rear will create a
>> problem? I understand that all batteries should be the same in size,
>> brand, and age. Maybe a ice chest would work for the refridg. We do
>> have a Siberian Husky. Sorry about the snow. I found a electric
>> blanket that pulls less that 100 watts. Set on low it will take off
>> the first chill. We are looking for the best possible housing. We
>> have problems in hotels, ect. due to the smoking and cleaning
>> products that they use. Anyone else have any suggestions.
>> Dan
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