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VAL Digest          Sunday, February 29 2004          Volume 01 : Number 173




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Topics in Today's Digest:

Re: [VAL] solar
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #171 - water heater replacement
Re: [VAL] solar
[VAL] hello from a new member...
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #172 - Water heater under bed
Re: [VAL] solar
Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...
[VAL] weird!
[VAL] Re: VAL water heater under bed
Re: [VAL] weird!
Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...
Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...
Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...
Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...
Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...
[VAL] Spare tire carriers
Re: [VAL] Spare tire carriers
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL water heater under bed
Re: [VAL] Spare tire carriers

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:55:11 -0500
From: "Jim Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] solar

Dan, if you do use golf cart batteries, they are wired in series not
parallel. I doubt they would be compatible with a single 12 volt deep cycle
batter though. Dr. J can advise better about electrical matters.

Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] solar


> What would you suggest?  Should I use two 6 volt golf cart batteries,
> as I will be using the batteries extensively.
> Dan
> 14148
>
> >Connect the front batteries in parallel (plus to plus and minus to
> >minus) with substantial (say 2 gauge) cables. The univolt will happily
> >overcharge them all, so you need to update to a more modern battery
> >maintenance system. The solar panels will need a charge controller with
> >them also.
> >
> >Gerald J.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:10:40 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #171 - water heater replacement

Make sure you get a dual LP/electric water heater. It is nice to not have
to fool with LP when you are parked where there is good electric service.
Cheaper, too, especially if electricity is included in lot rent.
Al

> "Marvin W. Murray" wrote:
> 
> > The original Atwood water heater in my '76 Tradewind 25' appears to
be leaking. For the past year, I have been seeing a small drip from the
belly pan below the heater, which has now gotten larger, but I can't
pinpoint the source. Should I just go ahead and replace the heater
(Camping World sells a replacement for approx. $250 + $100 install)? Is
there anything else I should do first?
> > Any advice would be appreciated.

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:40:35 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] solar

For sure golf cart batteries are generally 6 volts each, so have to be
wired in pairs in series to make 12 volts. They are deep cycle
batteries, in the past the most cost effective per unit storage energy.

All the batteries, 6 or 12 volt should be deep cycle batteries (the deep
cycle properties come from stronger grids and a different full charged
specific gravity of the electrolyte which gives a slightly different
full charged terminal voltage) to work together.

The voltage regulation of the Univolt is not as fine as batteries
require for long life so it should be replaced with a more modern
battery care charger. The solar panels will need their own charge
controller to prevent overcharging the batteries.

Gerald J.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:39:24 -0600
From: Graeme Thickins <graeme@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] hello from a new member...

Greetings to all --

Though I've been on the list for a few weeks, reading
only, I wanted to now introduce myself -- because I just
recently became the proud owner of my first Airstream!
A dream of mine for many years...

It's a beautiful 1967 Safari Twin (22'), "International" model,
with a gorgeous aqua interior!  I looked long and hard, and
found just the right one for me.  One thing I learned along
the way:  Airstreamers are the nicest people in the world!

Thanks to all who helped me out there, both by phone and
through this wonderful list.  And I look forward to learning
more from the group as I begin my new adventure...  :-)
*especially* about polishing!  That will be my first order
of business once temperatures allow here in Minnesota --
beginning with stripping that optional '67 clear-coat.
(The interior's so nice, I don't think it needs a thing.)
By late May, I hope to be able to shave in the reflection!

best regards,
Graeme Thickins
*Minneapolis, MN  *San Clemente, CA
'67 Airstream Safari "International"
'90 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "woodie" (black) - tow vehicle
'65 VW Woodie Wagon (yellow) - tow vehicle wannabe!

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:14:57 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #172 - Water heater under bed

Always turn the WH off before retiring. If it is hot at bedtime there
will be warm water for hand washing all night.
Dr. J has some good points too. If your WH has only a pressure relief
valve, not a temperature+pressure relief valve, it is important to put a
new relief valve in.
While you have the valve out, peek inside the tank with a penlite. If it
is not rusty, it most likely needs a new anode rod after 43 years. This
rod is made of magnesium and is sacrificial, that is, it corrodes instead
of the tank. If the magnesium is gone the tank will corrode. 
If the tank is already rusty, figure on a new water heater.
Al

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
.........................................
> 
> My real question is this.
> 
> My son will be sleeping on that bed.  Assuming we test the water heater
once we have flushed out the Anti-freeze and it's running okay (ie. no 
leaks and producing hot water!), is it safe?!  I am little concerned that
it's a gas appliance under the bed.
> 
> Many Thanks,
> 
> Ruth Warren.
> Nervous newbie.

> ------------------------------
> From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] On the subject of water heaters....
> 
> On the ultra ultra conservative side, gas control valve gaskets tend to
rot in less than 40 years leading to gas leaks. If I slept directly over
the water heater, I'd want a NEW control for that reason.
> 
> Then for ultra ultra ultra conservatism, I'd want a newly made and
certified pressure/temperature relief valve piped to the outside. 
> The modern relief valves have pretty much cured the holes in houses
made by a water heater turning into a rocket when the bottom of the tank
got rusty and the gas control overheated the tank and it became steam
propelled punching a hole through the roof.
> 
> Water has to expand when heated. If the water heater can't push back
against the pump check valve or release the pressure through the hot
water line, the tank has either to expand with the water or split. 
> Metal does expand when heated but not as much as water does.
.........................................................................
................
> Gerald J.

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:29:33 -0500
From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] solar

Dan ,
   I`m a big believer in solar powered airstreams , I`ve done three over now and
I`m pleased with the results ,giving me more options camping w/o hookups .
However , there is no way that you can get enough batteries and panels in or on
an airstream to totally do away with the propane for cooking , heating . You
might get away with a microwave and a fridge , either a 12 volt fridge or run on
110 with an inverter . Probably about 4 batterys , at least 4 panels . Check out
rvsolarelectrics website they can help with the math , watts per hour , sun in
your area . Might check into Jim Smith `s tongue mounted generator set up , but
I think he uses an alcohol stove for cooking , along with the microwave . Ask
him about it .
Chris Elliott
2 unisolar 65 watt panels 2 remote mounted 85 watt BP panels 2 gel batteries
solarboost 2000 controller
63 Flying Cloud  ( 67 caravel for Sale ! )

Dan Childress wrote:

> I have a 1969 Caravel and want to add additional batteries as my wife is
> unable to tolerate LP.  Has anyone added solar and additional batteries.

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:17:00 -0700
From: Rob Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...

Graeme Thickins wrote:

> "... I just recently became the proud owner of my first Airstream! ... 
> I look forward to learning more from the group as I begin my new 
> adventure..."


Graeme - congratulations and welcome!

If you're interested, Scott Scheuermann 
(s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net) is the contact person for Vintage 
Airstream Club membership info.  Look forward to meeting you some day at 
our Rocky Mountain Vintage Rally.

Rob Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:22:02 -0800
From: Jeffrey & Daile Engle <eMac1@xxxxxxxxxx.US>
Subject: [VAL] weird!

Hello, Tom
	I seem to be having that same thing happening again where my daily's 
are being rejected? What a pain! I did contact my ISP just now via an 
email. Something strange though, when I get an email from you, the list 
primarily, I receive "2" from's and "2" to's? Looks like this:

From: 	  valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
	Subject: 	VAL Digest V1 #172
	Date: 	February 27, 2004 10:00:02 PM PST
	To: 	  <valist-digest@xxxxxxxxxx.com><valist-digest@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
	Reply-To: 	  <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com><valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>

Symantec AVF replaced Message Body with this text message.  The 
original file was unscannable and was deleted.


I don't know if this could be part of the problem, but a good shot in 
the dark? Jeff

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:43:35 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL water heater under bed

Ruth, assuming that there is nothing physically wrong with the heater, and
the heater is properly vented outside I don't see any reason to worry.

Scott, who has slept on the bed over the hot water heater for the last few
decades.
1960 Overlander
- -------------------------------

My real question is this.

My son will be sleeping on that bed.  Assuming we test the water heater once
we have flushed out the Anti-freeze and it's running okay (ie. no leaks and
producing hot water!), is it safe?!  I am little concerned that it's a gas
appliance under the bed.

Many Thanks,

Ruth Warren.
Nervous newbie.

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:51:54 EST
From: SHMossLanding@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] weird!

run a virus scan.

                               Chuck

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:58:46 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...

Greetings Graeme!

Welcome to the world of Vintage Airstream ownership!

Your Caravel/Grand Wagoneer combination will make a striking
unit traveling the highways.  I seriously considered a '90
Grand Wagoneer with every available factory option in 1995
before I purchased my '95 K1500 Z-71.  My previous tow
vehicle was an '84 Grand Wagoneer, and it was a marvelous
tow vehilce for my Overlander - - handled the Rocky
Mountains with ease (if you could keeps its gas tank full),
and this was with the 360 V8 (AMC) with 3.90 Differentials.

Good luck with your polishing/refurbishing!

Kevin

Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400
VORTEC/4.10 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Edlorado
Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)


> Greetings to all --
>
> Though I've been on the list for a few weeks, reading
> only, I wanted to now introduce myself -- because I just
> recently became the proud owner of my first Airstream!
> A dream of mine for many years...
>
> It's a beautiful 1967 Safari Twin (22'), "International"
> model, with a gorgeous aqua interior!  I looked long and
> hard, and found just the right one for me.  One thing I
> learned along the way:  Airstreamers are the nicest people
> in the world!
>
> Thanks to all who helped me out there, both by phone and
> through this wonderful list.  And I look forward to
> learning more from the group as I begin my new
> adventure...  :-) *especially* about polishing!  That will
> be my first order of business once temperatures allow here
> in Minnesota -- beginning with stripping that optional '67
> clear-coat. (The interior's so nice, I don't think it
> needs a thing.) By late May, I hope to be able to shave in
> the reflection!
>
> best regards,
> Graeme Thickins
> *Minneapolis, MN  *San Clemente, CA
> '67 Airstream Safari "International"
> '90 Jeep Grand Wagoneer "woodie" (black) - tow vehicle
> '65 VW Woodie Wagon (yellow) - tow vehicle wannabe!

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:25:31 -0600
From: Daniel Childress <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...

>Has anyone attached the spare tire to the back bumper of a 69 
>caravel.  The example on the web has one.

Dan
14148

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:13:15 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...

The back bumper of vintage Airstreams tends to be not strongly
supported.

Adding weight to the rear takes weight off the tongue that makes the
hitch connection sloppy and leads to trailer lateral instability when
taken to the extreme.

Most of us leave the spare on the tongue or haul it in the truck bed.

Gerald J.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:35:25 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tommyjoe@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...

The rear bumper on my '65 Streamline actually cracked from the jolting it
received going down the road after I mounted the spare to it.  I replaced
the bumper and now carry the spare mounted in the pick-up bed.

- -Tom


> >Has anyone attached the spare tire to the back bumper of a 69
> >caravel.  The example on the web has one.
>
> Dan
> 14148

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:58:00 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...

Dan,

I have seen some (including myself 1966 Overlander) carry the spare behind
the propane
tanks in the Y part of the front frame. On the 69 and newer the connection
to the car/hitch
is in the front. You maybe able to rig something up that would work.

Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC/WDCU 1270


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From: "Tom Patterson" <tommyjoe@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] hello from a new member...


> The rear bumper on my '65 Streamline actually cracked from the jolting it
> received going down the road after I mounted the spare to it.  I replaced
> the bumper and now carry the spare mounted in the pick-up bed.
>
> -Tom
>
>
> > >Has anyone attached the spare tire to the back bumper of a 69
> > >caravel.  The example on the web has one.
> >
> > Dan
> > 14148
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:53:24 -0600
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Spare tire carriers

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:58:00 -0500, <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:

>
>Dan,
>
>I have seen some (including myself 1966 Overlander) carry the spare behind
>the propane
>tanks in the Y part of the front frame. On the 69 and newer the connection
>to the car/hitch
>is in the front. You maybe able to rig something up that would work.

there is also the capability of mounting the spare under the front gaucho with a
drop down frame.  such is found on my trailer.
They have been accessories for nearly forever.
fwiw
chas



...

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:28:55 -0600
From: Daniel Childress <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Spare tire carriers

>Thanks to all the information about spare tire carriers.  I will be 
>getting with the welder to fabricate a carrier on the hitch.  Do not 
>want to modify the pan in front to allow the spare to be mounted 
>under the caravel.  Added weight on the rear would lighten the hitch 
>weight.  Having removed the tanks the additional weight on the hitch 
>sounds good.   Thanks again

Dan
14148

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:41:54 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL water heater under bed

In the winter time you'll really enjoy it.

BG
  ----- Original Message -----
  Wrom: PYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMN

  Ruth, assuming that there is nothing physically wrong with the heater, and
  the heater is properly vented outside I don't see any reason to worry.

  Scott, who has slept on the bed over the hot water heater for the last few
  decades.
  1960 Overlander
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:47:15 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Spare tire carriers

All this talk here lately on tires and tire carriers got me to thinking about
putting my spare back under the trailer. My problem is though there's not a
holder in the area for the tire.
They used to be available from the guy who has the Healthy Homes site, but I
guess he just had a few.
Anyway, does anyone know where I may get one?

Thanks
Bobby
229-460-5195

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