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VAL Digest Sunday, February 15 2004 Volume 01 : Number 159
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[VAL] CHAS - now you've done it - Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] CHAS - now you've done it - Discontent with WBCCI
[VAL] front end separation
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
RE: [VAL] front end separation
Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
[VAL] WBCCI Survey - Toby's Reply
RE: [VAL] front end separation
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey - Toby's Reply
[VAL] Date of mfr for qualification for VAC status
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] Date of mfr for qualification for VAC status
[VAL] Moderators are listening
Re: [VAL] Date of mfr for qualification for VAC status
Re: [VAL] Date of mfr for qualification for VAC status
[VAL] moderator????
[VAL] FL. State rally
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:02:04 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] CHAS - now you've done it - Discontent with WBCCI
Chas,
Ridiculous? Communist Manifesto? I hope you drop out of the WBCCI ... and
soon. Your attitude towards your fellow WBCCI members makes me ill. From
now on all of your posts to this list will not be read by me as I will have
my mail program delete them from my server. You are beyond anyone's
understanding as long as you post what you did here. No wonder you park in
vacant lands and parking lots - who'd want to be around such an angry
person!
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "schuetzen - RKBA!" <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> this is ridiculous and is equivalent to a touchy feely Communist
Manifesto. To
> even think that we all would agree with it assumes that we are NON US
CITIZENS
> without our BofR protected Freedom of Speech.
> Thanks for sending the lines quoted above along to us.
> I will send it to the ACLU and see if they don't agree that this "oath"
needs to
> be challenged in court. <g> heh, THAT would give WBCCI lots of press like
AARP
> and its long held position on NO gun ownership.
> chas
> Charles L Hamilton, chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net Houston, TX
> WBCCI/WDCU #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:52:27 -0600
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] CHAS - now you've done it - Discontent with WBCCI
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:02:04 -0500, "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Ridiculous? Communist Manifesto? I hope you drop out of the WBCCI ... and
>soon. Your attitude towards your fellow WBCCI members makes me ill. From
>now on all of your posts to this list will not be read by me as I will have
>my mail program delete them from my server. You are beyond anyone's
>understanding as long as you post what you did here. No wonder you park in
>vacant lands and parking lots - who'd want to be around such an angry
>person!
and you obviously did not see my smilie did you?
that was all tongue in cheek to point out how ridiculous the whole discussion
was getting/
lighten up Tom
you are way too serious.
chas
...
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1970 06:20:33 -0600
From: Joseph Webb <jbwebbhome@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] front end separation
> Hello
> we are seeking advice on frame/front end separation of 34' '97
> airstream. What is the best way to repair this..in front struts? Do you
> have someone you would recommend. We are 3 hours from Fogdalls in
> Waterloo & considering taking unit there for repair.
> Also, does anyone have answer for "ceiling" falling-lining coming
> unglued from the top? Someone suggested the syringe method of shooting
> glue into the ceiling. Anyone with experience on that?
> thanks in advance for you help!
> Joseph
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:32:22 -0500
From: Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Now, as far as I am concerned, all this phrase says is that we should be
respectful towards each other, and try to work out our differences when
dealing with club issues....
The problem is, it's a very "general" phrase. You can interpret it a lot of
different ways, depending which axe you are grinding....
Dave
At 11:44 PM 2/13/2004, you wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:04:17 -0700, Rob Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"To be ever mindful of what we say or print with respect to the affect
> >on others so as to avoid disharmony and ill feelings among club members
> >and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the members
> >of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and mutual understanding."
>
>this is ridiculous and is equivalent to a touchy feely Communist
>Manifesto. To
>even think that we all would agree with it assumes that we are NON US CITIZENS
>without our BofR protected Freedom of Speech.
>Thanks for sending the lines quoted above along to us.
>I will send it to the ACLU and see if they don't agree that this "oath"
>needs to
>be challenged in court. <g> heh, THAT would give WBCCI lots of press like
>AARP
>and its long held position on NO gun ownership.
>
>Toby, thanks for letting us air this out here, I AM surprised!
>
>fwiw
>chas
>--
>Charles L Hamilton, chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net Houston, TX
>WBCCI/WDCU #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
>'76 Sovereign '02 E350 SD PSD, Prodigy, Pullrite
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_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:42:06 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] front end separation
Hello Joseph,
I have the same problem with front end separation. From what I have been
able to gather there are some straps from the frame to the nose skin
that might have come loose or broke. I broke mine on the 68. From what I
am told, the belly pan in the nose has to be dropped and the lower part
of the exterior skin removed to get to these things. They are then
welded or replaced. As far as the interior the epoxy glue used is the
key. If you can get your arm in far enough to cover the area that would
work, a friend of mine ties a paint brush covered with the stuff to a
stick and shoved it into the opening as far as he could. Its still
holding as far as I know. I also have a number of friends that have used
Fogdall for repairs and only had good things to say about them.
Good Luck
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign (waiting for warmer weather and the 59 to be completed then
I'll rip the nose off and fix this problem)
59 Traveler (which I am on the way out to finish installing my bed
today)
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Webb
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 1970 7:21 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] front end separation
> Hello
> we are seeking advice on frame/front end separation of 34' '97
> airstream. What is the best way to repair this..in front struts? Do
> you have someone you would recommend. We are 3 hours from Fogdalls in
> Waterloo & considering taking unit there for repair. Also, does anyone
> have answer for "ceiling" falling-lining coming unglued from the top?
> Someone suggested the syringe method of shooting glue into the
> ceiling. Anyone with experience on that? thanks in advance for you
> help! Joseph
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:37:59 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
I think it is important for all of us to be able to share our views
privately with the WBCCI and then let them use that information in a manner
they feel appropriate.
Ken J.
At 09:45 PM 2/11/04 EST, you wrote:
>Gee, you wrote 7 pages? What was some of your ideas of change. It would be
>interesting to see what people are thinking. jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:33:49 -0500
From: "wam52" <wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] WBCCI Survey - Toby's Reply
Toby ,
Thank you for such a thoughtful reply on this controversial issue of change.
As part of the leadership team of the Vintage Airstream Club, I would like
say that change is inevitable for our Club. The form of those changes will
be in line with the thoughts of those that care to make a contribution and
work together towards a more common interest. Age is not an issue by itself.
It is all about respect, Respect for Tradition, Respect for New Ideas, and
Respect for the Individual.
These are the things that make great organizations. The WBCCI and through
it's affiliation the VAC, have in their constitutions, these values as their
basis for existing.
The Club means different things to different people! The formula for
exercising that constitution is largely subject to local chapter
interpretation. Each unit has been molded by its local membership. Some
chapters have not embraced the value of change and new ideas and have
subsequently given up there charters and disbanded. Others chapters have
found a formula that works to capture new members and has begun that process
of change by getting that new blood involved in the leadership of the unit.
The Regions and the National Club are just a little slower to change, they
have the task of trying to appease both extremes. Its not an easy one. The
fact that the national leadership recognizes that a survey is required is
evidence of change. It has already been mentioned that you can't please
everyone, but that shouldn't stop us from finding the most common
denominator among those that have an interest in all that the club(s) has to
offer.
In the course of the next few years there will be more changes.
Everyone who cares should volunteer their support and ideas to make the
VAC/WBCCI experience a worthwhile one.
Respectfully
Wayne A. Moore
Second Vice President
Vintage Airstream Club
VAC/WBCCI #15116
For those of you that are not interested in club politics, I thank you for
this time to address those that are!
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
>
> I find all of this conversation interesting on many
> levels. I can say with some certainty that I'm
> younger (in physical years) than more than a majority
> of not only the WBCCI membership, but the VAC
> membership too.
>
> Fortunately, the patience I have has been allocated to
> the moderation of this list (since I was the
> ripe-old-age of 26) and the age old idea that
> eventually I (and others in my generation) will
> inherit the club from all of you. I don't travel with
> my trailer yet, but it hasn't stopped me from changing
> the club in whatever small way that I have, and at a
> minimum - helping the people who run it now make it
> something I'll like even more when I'm an old-timer.
>
> I'll tell you this - I hope I'm still kicking it like
> Bud Cooper when I'm his age, and I'll tell you what -
> I hope there's people like me (and the rest that get
> involved) *evolving* the club to meet their needs 50
> or so years from now (which is when I'll be Bud
> Cooper's age.)
>
> Think about this, There is someone out there that will
> eventually be the President of the United States, an
> Astronaut, an Accountant, a convenience store cashier
> and on and on - making a travel club enjoyable seems
> to be a whole lot less effort in the grand scheme. IF
> there are only 5 of us in 50 years, after "all the
> work" of sending in the WBCCI surveys, I'll be
> organizing a rally for all 5 of us - wherever we want
> it to be. I'll bring my "Capetown to Cairo" book and
> we'll talk about our Airstreaming ancestors and the
> ones who made it easier for us to be hanging out by
> the campfire (which, of course will be legal because
> we made it so.)
>
> Toby Folwick
> WBCCI #2029 VAC WDCU
> (Former Region 7)
> VAList Moderator.
> VAC Webmaster.
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:50:24 -0600
From: Kevin D Allen <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] front end separation
Greetings Joseph!
While I haven't had experience with either of the problems that you are
having with your coach, I have had wonderful experience with Ace Fogdall
RV in Cedar Falls. They have been my first-choice for repairs on my
coaches for more than seven years - - including such things as repairing
rear end separation on my Overlander, replacing water heaters in both
coaches, air conditioners in both coaches, water pumps in both coaches,
new axle for Minuet, repairing damage to a streetside panel on
Overlander, repairing entry doors on both coaches - - and the list goes
on - - and every repair has been absolutely satisfactory.
If you decide to take your coach to Ace Fogdall, you will want to call
ahead as they are in the process (or will be very shortly) of moving to
a new location at the edge of Cedar Falls (at the intersection of US
Highway 20 and IA Route 58 (Industrial/Business Park exit from US 20).
Good luck with your repairs!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Webb
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 1970 6:21 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] front end separation
> Hello
> we are seeking advice on frame/front end separation of 34' '97
> airstream. What is the best way to repair this..in front struts? Do
you
> have someone you would recommend. We are 3 hours from Fogdalls in
> Waterloo & considering taking unit there for repair.
> Also, does anyone have answer for "ceiling" falling-lining coming
> unglued from the top? Someone suggested the syringe method of shooting
> glue into the ceiling. Anyone with experience on that?
> thanks in advance for you help!
> Joseph
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:59:13 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Thanks, and I agree with you, Bill.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "William Kerfoot" <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
> I did not intend to discredit Rob Davis, I just eliminated a major
> portion of the post. I agree with Rob. Either work within to change or
> start you own club with your own rules.
>
> Bill Kerfoot
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:45:08 -0700
From: "Forrest" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
"I think the folks who constantly slam WBCCI & VAC have already violated
their membership oath, should be warned, then released..."
The turn this lastest thread has taken has caused me enough concern that I
lost some sleep over it. When we interpret a rule (the Code of Ethics) in a
restrictive way it does more than censor or quiet just that one noisy person
(that would be Chas, :`( ). It also sends a message that tends to dampen the
free expression of some of our other members. The irony is that we probably
can't do much of anything to settle down Chas (short of exclusion and
banishment), but in trying we might very well silence those other members
that we want to hear from.
I have to admit, when I first read the Code of Ethics my first impression
was "wow, the WBCCI has a built-in censorship rule!?" Then I realized I was
being paranoid, and read it again, but in a more positive light. I decided
it was a request for members to simply be considerate of other members. Who
can argue with that?
Well, it may be that it is dangerous simply because it is so vaguely worded
that it can be interpreted, or mis-interpreted, in a negative and damaging
way. I would not want to belong to an organization that discourages free
speech and expression, not in any form, however subtle a form it may take.
On a lighter note, let me quote Mark Twain. "It is by the goodness of God
that in our country we have these three unspeakably precious things: freedom
of speech, freedom of conscience and the prudence never to practice either
of them." Also, there is this from Woodrow Wilson. "I have always been among
those who believed that the greatest freedom of speech was the greatest
safety, because if a man is a fool the best thing to do is to encourage him
to advertise the fact by speaking."
Forrest (a bigger fool than any of you)
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:04:56 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
> The turn this lastest thread has taken has caused me enough concern that I
> lost some sleep over it.
This sort of discussion has come up before but was usually nipped in the bud
by the monitors. I reviewed what I believe to be the current guidlines for
the participation in this group. They are the following:
"Do talk about Airstreams and Airstreaming with particular emphasis on
vintage Airstreams:
This is what everybody is here for - the group is orientated around using,
owning, and admiring Airstreams with the particular interest of restoration
of the vintage Airstream travel trailer. The group is monitored, but you are
free to post anything you like to the list. However, because of this open
policy, it is extremely important that you do not stray too far from the
subject of Airstream Restoration. Model identification, tow vehicles, tow
hitches, sources for parts, chemicals to clean your trailer with, tire
sizes, in fact anything that is directly relevant to vintage Airstreams is
okay, but allowing yourself to spin off on an unrelated tangent isn't. It is
a matter of etiquette that the subject matter be kept under control."
This topic sure seems to fit the catagory of an "unrelated tangent" to me
and I would ask Tom and the monitors to revisit these guidelines before this
gets any worse.
GQ '67 Safari
WBCCI # 4082 in CA
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:02:09 +0000
From: satdjpete@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey - Toby's Reply
Hey Wayne,
Thats why your there!!!!!!!!!!! No complaints buddy It all works out and the door opens
both ways as I recall.
Keep up the good work.
Pete WBCCI VAC SOB and whatever.
> Toby ,
>
> Thank you for such a thoughtful reply on this controversial issue of change.
>
> As part of the leadership team of the Vintage Airstream Club, I would like
> say that change is inevitable for our Club. The form of those changes will
> be in line with the thoughts of those that care to make a contribution and
> work together towards a more common interest. Age is not an issue by itself.
> It is all about respect, Respect for Tradition, Respect for New Ideas, and
> Respect for the Individual.
>
> These are the things that make great organizations. The WBCCI and through
> it's affiliation the VAC, have in their constitutions, these values as their
> basis for existing.
>
> The Club means different things to different people! The formula for
> exercising that constitution is largely subject to local chapter
> interpretation. Each unit has been molded by its local membership. Some
> chapters have not embraced the value of change and new ideas and have
> subsequently given up there charters and disbanded. Others chapters have
> found a formula that works to capture new members and has begun that process
> of change by getting that new blood involved in the leadership of the unit.
>
> The Regions and the National Club are just a little slower to change, they
> have the task of trying to appease both extremes. Its not an easy one. The
> fact that the national leadership recognizes that a survey is required is
> evidence of change. It has already been mentioned that you can't please
> everyone, but that shouldn't stop us from finding the most common
> denominator among those that have an interest in all that the club(s) has to
> offer.
>
> In the course of the next few years there will be more changes.
>
> Everyone who cares should volunteer their support and ideas to make the
> VAC/WBCCI experience a worthwhile one.
>
> Respectfully
>
> Wayne A. Moore
> Second Vice President
> Vintage Airstream Club
> VAC/WBCCI #15116
>
> For those of you that are not interested in club politics, I thank you for
> this time to address those that are!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
> >
> > I find all of this conversation interesting on many
> > levels. I can say with some certainty that I'm
> > younger (in physical years) than more than a majority
> > of not only the WBCCI membership, but the VAC
> > membership too.
> >
> > Fortunately, the patience I have has been allocated to
> > the moderation of this list (since I was the
> > ripe-old-age of 26) and the age old idea that
> > eventually I (and others in my generation) will
> > inherit the club from all of you. I don't travel with
> > my trailer yet, but it hasn't stopped me from changing
> > the club in whatever small way that I have, and at a
> > minimum - helping the people who run it now make it
> > something I'll like even more when I'm an old-timer.
> >
> > I'll tell you this - I hope I'm still kicking it like
> > Bud Cooper when I'm his age, and I'll tell you what -
> > I hope there's people like me (and the rest that get
> > involved) *evolving* the club to meet their needs 50
> > or so years from now (which is when I'll be Bud
> > Cooper's age.)
> >
> > Think about this, There is someone out there that will
> > eventually be the President of the United States, an
> > Astronaut, an Accountant, a convenience store cashier
> > and on and on - making a travel club enjoyable seems
> > to be a whole lot less effort in the grand scheme. IF
> > there are only 5 of us in 50 years, after "all the
> > work" of sending in the WBCCI surveys, I'll be
> > organizing a rally for all 5 of us - wherever we want
> > it to be. I'll bring my "Capetown to Cairo" book and
> > we'll talk about our Airstreaming ancestors and the
> > ones who made it easier for us to be hanging out by
> > the campfire (which, of course will be legal because
> > we made it so.)
> >
> > Toby Folwick
> > WBCCI #2029 VAC WDCU
> > (Former Region 7)
> > VAList Moderator.
> > VAC Webmaster.
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:07:02 -0600
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Date of mfr for qualification for VAC status
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:04:56 -0800, "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
wrote:
>
>This topic sure seems to fit the catagory of an "unrelated tangent" to me
>and I would ask Tom and the monitors to revisit these guidelines before this
>gets any worse.
I hate "me too's" but AMEN! as I said before with my hugely misunderstood
(typical) satire using the Manifesto, this thread is getting ridiculous.
Lets move on.
Did anyone ever give the date of mfr of that 1980 built in 1979 or v.v?
I am interested because my 76 was dated 1977 on the serial number. iow, it was
a 76 1/2... remember when they used to do that (still do?) with automobile
releases??
chas
- --
Charles L Hamilton, chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net Houston, TX
WBCCI/WDCU #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
'76 Sovereign '02 E350 SD PSD, Prodigy, Pullrite
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:21:01 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
huh?
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From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
> > The turn this lastest thread has taken has caused me enough concern that
I
> > lost some sleep over it.
>
> This sort of discussion has come up before but was usually nipped in the
bud
> by the monitors. I reviewed what I believe to be the current guidlines
for
> the participation in this group. They are the following:
>
> "Do talk about Airstreams and Airstreaming with particular emphasis on
> vintage Airstreams:
> This is what everybody is here for - the group is orientated around using,
> owning, and admiring Airstreams with the particular interest of
restoration
> of the vintage Airstream travel trailer. The group is monitored, but you
are
> free to post anything you like to the list. However, because of this open
> policy, it is extremely important that you do not stray too far from the
> subject of Airstream Restoration. Model identification, tow vehicles, tow
> hitches, sources for parts, chemicals to clean your trailer with, tire
> sizes, in fact anything that is directly relevant to vintage Airstreams is
> okay, but allowing yourself to spin off on an unrelated tangent isn't. It
is
> a matter of etiquette that the subject matter be kept under control."
>
> This topic sure seems to fit the catagory of an "unrelated tangent" to me
> and I would ask Tom and the monitors to revisit these guidelines before
this
> gets any worse.
>
> GQ '67 Safari
> WBCCI # 4082 in CA
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:41:52 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
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From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
> huh?
>
Tom Patterson....you know....the guy that runs this list?
GQ '67 Safari
4082 in CA
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:47:56 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
ok, thanks.
Tom
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From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
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> > huh?
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> Tom Patterson....you know....the guy that runs this list?
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:58:02 -0600
From: "Buddy" <buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Date of mfr for qualification for VAC status
Chas wrote:
"Did anyone ever give the date of mfr of that 1980 built in 1979 or v.v?
I am interested because my 76 was dated 1977 on the serial number. iow, it
was
a 76 1/2... remember when they used to do that (still do?) with automobile
releases??
chas"
Chas, the vin plate gives a date of manufature of July 24, 1979, the title
lists it as 1980 medel. Clarification for eligibility for VAC membership
wiull be appreciated.
Best Regards,
Buddy Atwood
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:02:10 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Moderators are listening
Hi folks, I'm right here and paying attention.
I think those of you who are off on a tangent know who you are, and I
think we are pretty well finished with this topic.
If you would like to continue, set up your own group and go for it, but
please take it off this list.
Daisy
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:24:46 -0600
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Date of mfr for qualification for VAC status
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:21:55 -0600, schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>
>personally, I think that as of July 24 this year, you were eligible.
>I am pretty sure all others here will agree
>welcome to the VAC!!
>please send your money .....
><G>
>chas
uh oh, excuse me, WILL be eligible
but go ahead and send in your money anyway....<G>
chas
...
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:21:55 -0600
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Date of mfr for qualification for VAC status
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:58:02 -0600, "Buddy" <buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>
>Chas, the vin plate gives a date of manufature of July 24, 1979, the title
>lists it as 1980 medel. Clarification for eligibility for VAC membership
>wiull be appreciated.
personally, I think that as of July 24 this year, you were eligible.
I am pretty sure all others here will agree
welcome to the VAC!!
please send your money .....
<G>
chas
...
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 05:02:50 GMT
From: bsshrink@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] moderator????
Getting a little testy here. Dr. Hamilton, the majority of American voters believe
differently. Let's please get back to trailer skins and black tanks. On this we all
agree, potty-cally correct.
Dr Miller
69 Overlander
03 Silverado HD
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:07:01 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] FL. State rally
Will there be a vac meeting at thr FL State Rally?If so does anyone know the
time and date?
The Silver Absaltross is not ready for prime time and Mary's Alzhimers is at
the point that it is not wellto try to take her.
But having said that I would like to drive down from Tampa for the day and
meet with the VAC members some who I know and others who are only names on the
computer.
Jim Smith
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