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Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
[VAL] WBCCI Survey
Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
[VAL] Framing Question
[VAL] Roof Vents
Re: [VAL] Roof Vents
Re: [VAL] Framing Question
Re: [VAL] Roof Vents
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
RE: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
RE: [VAL] Framing Question
Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:21:29 -0600
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:02:44 -0500, "Jim Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>
>My membership in WBCCI has spanned a period of 30 years. The activities now
>are the same as they were 30 years ago. The biggest difference is the
>continuing decline in membership. I wonder why.
Jim, I first joined about the same time you did - 1973 to be exact and as I
remember. today's society is far different from what it was then. there was
little going on about political correctness, just a present day demo front
runner's ranting anti-war ranting but we still had all of our Constitutional
freedoms. Today, a photograph of soldiers with heads bowed in prayer has sent
the ACLU into paroxysms of church-state separatism rantings.
My point is, my statement was about how _I_ feel about the WBCCI. I personally
do not need it as I do not enjoy caravanning, I do enjoy the opposite, which of
course is putting my trailer on a piece of BLM land and hiking around looking at
the scenery and then moving on. why I like to park in parking lots too.
But, the VAC holds interest for me Jim, as you know, I was trained as an AS
trailer mechanic while working on my PhD. I enjoy the trailer for itself, not
for any social issues. I do my socializing at Raton at the Schuetzen matches
every year when health allows, and at other ranges around the State.
I join the WBCCI to maintain my numbers out of nostalgia. and I think that my
views are shared by many on this list who will not speak up because it is not
politically correct to do so. like many of us in today's society, we drop out
rather than stand up and fight. we have gotten tired of the fighting and are
now content to let the "godless" and the "misquided" take over. ennui??
perhaps.
fwiw
chas
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WBCCI/WDCU #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
'76 Sovereign '02 E350 SD PSD, Prodigy, Pullrite
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:05:55 -0500
From: Rick Langer <farreach@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
I think this survey is a joke. After reading about it here and at
"airstreamforums.com" for the last few days I decided to pull out my
shredded copy and check it out. And guess what? The survey is so important
that they didn't even list it in the table of contents of the BB
publication that it was in. And then I started to read the questions.
"Should the name of the club be changed?" I admit that I did think the name
"WBCCI" was strange when I first came around here, but changing it will not
solve any of the problems that I have with the club. I could go on and on,
but nobody wants to read what's already been said many times.
Many months ago we had a dicussion here that basically questioned "Why does
the VAC need the WBCCI?" The only concrete thing that I can remember is
that they provide the VAC with insurance for our rallies. There might have
been other good reasons, but I can't remember them.
So my suggestion is that the VAC break away from the WBCCI. I would gladly
support the VAC with the WBCCI dues that I save. If we all gave our total
contribution (WBCCI/VAC dues) to the VAC, we should be able to insure
ourselves and probably alot more. Maybe even Airstream Corp. would be
interested in supporting another club, especially one that celebrates it's
greatness. I think WBCCI is beyond repair. I will respond to the survey,
but I don't think it will do any good. The BB will still come shredded in
the mail looking exactly like last month's except for the cover and the want
adds. After reading about the rule of "no camp fires" at WBCCI rallies I
think I'll start keeping my copies of the Blue Beret to start camping fires.
Rick Langer
#3847, VAC, TCT
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:26:04 -0500
From: Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
At 11:05 AM 2/13/2004, Rick Langer wrote:
>After reading about the rule of "no camp fires" at WBCCI rallies
Where did you read this?
I think that every single WBCCI rally I have ever gone to has had campfires....
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:40:40 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
I love how we often solve problems..............
Lets break away
Lets start a new club
If we could only get rid of this person or group
What happens is you further fragment the group and I don't think you solve
anything.
I think we need to remember you can't please everyone all the time.
Seems to me we need to work with the existing mother organization - it will
change, its not beyond repair.
Ken J.
At 11:05 AM 02/13/04 -0500, you wrote:
>I think this survey is a joke. After reading about it here and at
>"airstreamforums.com" for the last few days I decided to pull out my
>shredded copy and check it out. And guess what? The survey is so important
>that they didn't even list it in the table of contents of the BB
>publication that it was in. And then I started to read the questions.
>"Should the name of the club be changed?" I admit that I did think the name
>"WBCCI" was strange when I first came around here, but changing it will not
>solve any of the problems that I have with the club. I could go on and on,
>but nobody wants to read what's already been said many times.
>
>Many months ago we had a dicussion here that basically questioned "Why does
>the VAC need the WBCCI?" The only concrete thing that I can remember is
>that they provide the VAC with insurance for our rallies. There might have
>been other good reasons, but I can't remember them.
>
>So my suggestion is that the VAC break away from the WBCCI. I would gladly
>support the VAC with the WBCCI dues that I save. If we all gave our total
>contribution (WBCCI/VAC dues) to the VAC, we should be able to insure
>ourselves and probably alot more. Maybe even Airstream Corp. would be
>interested in supporting another club, especially one that celebrates it's
>greatness. I think WBCCI is beyond repair. I will respond to the survey,
>but I don't think it will do any good. The BB will still come shredded in
>the mail looking exactly like last month's except for the cover and the want
>adds. After reading about the rule of "no camp fires" at WBCCI rallies I
>think I'll start keeping my copies of the Blue Beret to start camping fires.
>
>Rick Langer
>#3847, VAC, TCT
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:10:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
I find all of this conversation interesting on many
levels. I can say with some certainty that I'm
younger (in physical years) than more than a majority
of not only the WBCCI membership, but the VAC
membership too.
Fortunately, the patience I have has been allocated to
the moderation of this list (since I was the
ripe-old-age of 26) and the age old idea that
eventually I (and others in my generation) will
inherit the club from all of you. I don't travel with
my trailer yet, but it hasn't stopped me from changing
the club in whatever small way that I have, and at a
minimum - helping the people who run it now make it
something I'll like even more when I'm an old-timer.
I'll tell you this - I hope I'm still kicking it like
Bud Cooper when I'm his age, and I'll tell you what -
I hope there's people like me (and the rest that get
involved) *evolving* the club to meet their needs 50
or so years from now (which is when I'll be Bud
Cooper's age.)
Think about this, There is someone out there that will
eventually be the President of the United States, an
Astronaut, an Accountant, a convenience store cashier
and on and on - making a travel club enjoyable seems
to be a whole lot less effort in the grand scheme. IF
there are only 5 of us in 50 years, after "all the
work" of sending in the WBCCI surveys, I'll be
organizing a rally for all 5 of us - wherever we want
it to be. I'll bring my "Capetown to Cairo" book and
we'll talk about our Airstreaming ancestors and the
ones who made it easier for us to be hanging out by
the campfire (which, of course will be legal because
we made it so.)
Toby Folwick
WBCCI #2029 VAC WDCU
(Former Region 7)
VAList Moderator.
VAC Webmaster.
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:38:48 EST
From: JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
You have to be kidding. VAC without WBCCI. There is no way that VAC can be a
club my itself. It must be supported by WBCCI. You don't know the cost of
insurance. I would immediately drop my membership in VAC if they want to leave
WBCCI. I can say more but I won't. jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:00:57 EST
From: JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
Toby, good for you. I have been a member of WBCCI for about 25 years and have
really enjoyed the experience. I want to see changes in the WBCCI and will
complete the survey and mail it in. I just happened to see the President of the
WBCCI outside his motor home today. I asked him if he ever looked at the VAC
website. He said he did and found it very interesting. I told him he was going
to get a lot of impute to the survey. Hope the club is still around 50 years
from now for you. Glad to hear from younger members. You just have to work on
your generation to get them to become joiners and get them involved in the
club. Don't give up hope. jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:48:08 -0500
From: "nickruthwarren" <nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Framing Question
I have been investigating the underside of the rear bed in our trailer and
have a question about the framing. It seems the frame is anchored to the
aluminium by screws along the length of the bed. I guess the majority of
the weight on that cross piece is supported by the framing at each end, my
question is: are the screws anchoring to anything more than the sheet
aluminium or are they spaced to anchor through the aluminium onto one of the
"joists" behind? The screws don't appear to align with the vertical line of
rivets which I am guessing is where the joists are?
If anyone would care to enlighten me I would much appreciate it.
Ruth Warren
1961 Tradewind.
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:57:42 -0500
From: "nickruthwarren" <nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Roof Vents
I think I need to replace the roof vent in the rear of our trailer as it
seems to be a point of some leakage. The PO replaced the plastic top but
the inside is a bit of a mess, the square hole you look up through has a
sort of white uneven hard surface (maybe some kind of spackle that has been
painted?) and the plastic top is held on by a thin metal stip sort of jammed
into this "spackle". I know this can't be right!
I wonder if anyone out there could send me a picture of what it is supposed
to look like and maybe where I could find the bits we're missing. I'm
hoping if I put it all back together as was then it may stop the leak.
Many Thanks,
Ruth Warren and the Tin Can Clan.
1961 Tradewind
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:03:54 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Roof Vents
Hi Ruth -
I've attached a couple of pictures of my roof vents. Hope this helps to
explain your query about how all of this fits together. Let me know if you
would like more.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT
on 2/13/04 4:57 PM, nickruthwarren at nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> I think I need to replace the roof vent in the rear of our trailer as it
> seems to be a point of some leakage. The PO replaced the plastic top but
> the inside is a bit of a mess, the square hole you look up through has a
> sort of white uneven hard surface (maybe some kind of spackle that has been
> painted?) and the plastic top is held on by a thin metal stip sort of jammed
> into this "spackle". I know this can't be right!
>
> I wonder if anyone out there could send me a picture of what it is supposed
> to look like and maybe where I could find the bits we're missing. I'm
> hoping if I put it all back together as was then it may stop the leak.
>
> Many Thanks,
>
> Ruth Warren and the Tin Can Clan.
> 1961 Tradewind
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:07:45 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Framing Question
I'm not sure I'm the best one to answer this, but...
As far as I can tell from my '73, the interior pieces, including the
bed, are free standing pieces. In other words, they are screwed to the
walls and floor to keep them from moving around, and that gives them a
little additional strength. But the weight bearing work is all done by
the bed supports themselves, not the walls. The monocoque construction
is really just a metal tent, not like house walls.
Daisy
nickruthwarren wrote:
> I have been investigating the underside of the rear bed in our trailer and
> have a question about the framing. It seems the frame is anchored to the
> aluminium by screws along the length of the bed. I guess the majority of
> the weight on that cross piece is supported by the framing at each end, my
> question is: are the screws anchoring to anything more than the sheet
> aluminium or are they spaced to anchor through the aluminium onto one of the
> "joists" behind? The screws don't appear to align with the vertical line of
> rivets which I am guessing is where the joists are?
>
> If anyone would care to enlighten me I would much appreciate it.
>
> Ruth Warren
> 1961 Tradewind.
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:06:13 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Roof Vents
Oooops. My apologies. This was suppose to go to Ruth directly.
Brad
on 2/13/04 6:03 PM, Brad Norgaard at stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> Hi Ruth -
> I've attached a couple of pictures of my roof vents. Hope this helps to
> explain your query about how all of this fits together. Let me know if you
> would like more.
>
> Brad Norgaard
> Phoenix
> '59 Trade Wind Twin
> VAC #2699, TCT
>
> on 2/13/04 4:57 PM, nickruthwarren at nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
>
>> I think I need to replace the roof vent in the rear of our trailer as it
>> seems to be a point of some leakage. The PO replaced the plastic top but
>> the inside is a bit of a mess, the square hole you look up through has a
>> sort of white uneven hard surface (maybe some kind of spackle that has been
>> painted?) and the plastic top is held on by a thin metal stip sort of jammed
>> into this "spackle". I know this can't be right!
>>
>> I wonder if anyone out there could send me a picture of what it is supposed
>> to look like and maybe where I could find the bits we're missing. I'm
>> hoping if I put it all back together as was then it may stop the leak.
>>
>> Many Thanks,
>>
>> Ruth Warren and the Tin Can Clan.
>> 1961 Tradewind
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:04:17 -0700
From: Rob Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
"So my suggestion is that the VAC break away from the WBCCI... I think
WBCCI is beyond repair. "
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My suggestion is we start a 'three gripes you're out' rule and apply it
to WBCCI, VAC & valist. Here's an excerpt from the WBCCI Code of Ethics:
"To be ever mindful of what we say or print with respect to the affect
on others so as to avoid disharmony and ill feelings among club members
and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the members
of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and mutual understanding."
I think the folks who constantly slam WBCCI & VAC have already violated
their membership oath, should be warned, then released to join whatever
other organization suits their fancy.
I'm baffled how some folks join an organization and then gripe about it
to fellow members. YOU HAVE A CHOICE IN THE MATTER, don't renew your
membership. Those of us who are active have made the choice to change
the organization in a pro-active way. The 'old-timers' listen to people
that contribute, rather than just gripe and we have found them to be
more supportive than we could have ever imagined. They know they can't
shoulder the responsibility indefinitely and they have welcomed with
open arms the involvement of 'younger folks'.
Toby has the right spirit when he says "changing the club in whatever
small way that I have...helping the people who run it now make it
something I'll like even more when I'm an old-timer".
Rob Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter, #1824, VAC
Denver, CO
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:30:03 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Thank you, Rob.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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From: "Rob Davis" <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
> "So my suggestion is that the VAC break away from the WBCCI... I think
> WBCCI is beyond repair. "
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> My suggestion is we start a 'three gripes you're out' rule and apply it
> to WBCCI, VAC & valist. Here's an excerpt from the WBCCI Code of Ethics:
>
> "To be ever mindful of what we say or print with respect to the affect
> on others so as to avoid disharmony and ill feelings among club members
> and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the members
> of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and mutual understanding."
>
> I think the folks who constantly slam WBCCI & VAC have already violated
> their membership oath, should be warned, then released to join whatever
> other organization suits their fancy.
>
> I'm baffled how some folks join an organization and then gripe about it
> to fellow members. YOU HAVE A CHOICE IN THE MATTER, don't renew your
> membership. Those of us who are active have made the choice to change
> the organization in a pro-active way. The 'old-timers' listen to people
> that contribute, rather than just gripe and we have found them to be
> more supportive than we could have ever imagined. They know they can't
> shoulder the responsibility indefinitely and they have welcomed with
> open arms the involvement of 'younger folks'.
>
> Toby has the right spirit when he says "changing the club in whatever
> small way that I have...helping the people who run it now make it
> something I'll like even more when I'm an old-timer".
>
> Rob Davis
> '64 GlobeTrotter, #1824, VAC
> Denver, CO
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:46:59 -0800
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Rob Davis wrote:
> "So my suggestion is that the VAC break away from the WBCCI... I
> think WBCCI is beyond repair. "
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> My suggestion is we start a 'three gripes you're out' rule and apply
> it to WBCCI, VAC & valist. Here's an excerpt from the WBCCI Code of
> Ethics:
>
To those of you who agree with the break away, you have two options: 1)
form your own group, independent of WBCCI and VAC or 2) work you way up
into the officer positions in each unit and region and then either
change what you do not like or break away.
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI #5223, VAC
1979 23' Safari
1973 Dodge W200 Powerwagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
Orange, CA
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:55:38 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
Sorry, but Rob Davis did *not* write what you have credited him with below.
Rob Davis *answered* a post from someone else who advocated that the VAC
break away from the WBCCI.
Nothing could be further from the truth, Rob Davis did *not* ever suggest
such a thing.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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From: "William Kerfoot" <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
> Rob Davis wrote:
>
> > "So my suggestion is that the VAC break away from the WBCCI... I
> > think WBCCI is beyond repair. "
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > My suggestion is we start a 'three gripes you're out' rule and apply
> > it to WBCCI, VAC & valist. Here's an excerpt from the WBCCI Code of
> > Ethics:
> >
>
> To those of you who agree with the break away, you have two options: 1)
> form your own group, independent of WBCCI and VAC or 2) work you way up
> into the officer positions in each unit and region and then either
> change what you do not like or break away.
>
> Bill Kerfoot
> WBCCI #5223, VAC
> 1979 23' Safari
> 1973 Dodge W200 Powerwagon
> 1977 Lincoln Continental
> Orange, CA
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:10:31 -0800
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
I did not intend to discredit Rob Davis, I just eliminated a major
portion of the post. I agree with Rob. Either work within to change or
start you own club with your own rules.
Bill Kerfoot
T o m wrote:
>Sorry, but Rob Davis did *not* write what you have credited him with below.
>Rob Davis *answered* a post from someone else who advocated that the VAC
>break away from the WBCCI.
>
>Nothing could be further from the truth, Rob Davis did *not* ever suggest
>such a thing.
>
>Tom
>WBCCI 5303
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "William Kerfoot" <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
>
>
>
>
>>Rob Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"So my suggestion is that the VAC break away from the WBCCI... I
>>>think WBCCI is beyond repair. "
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>My suggestion is we start a 'three gripes you're out' rule and apply
>>>it to WBCCI, VAC & valist. Here's an excerpt from the WBCCI Code of
>>>Ethics:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>To those of you who agree with the break away, you have two options: 1)
>>form your own group, independent of WBCCI and VAC or 2) work you way up
>>into the officer positions in each unit and region and then either
>>change what you do not like or break away.
>>
>>Bill Kerfoot
>>WBCCI #5223, VAC
>>1979 23' Safari
>>1973 Dodge W200 Powerwagon
>>1977 Lincoln Continental
>>Orange, CA
>>
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:03:43 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
You should have seen the one at the Vac Region 7 rally last year! We
even had a Fireman on the grounds to control it. This is another example
of non-participants claiming they know what is going on.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
You know the rest
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Dave Lowrey
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:26 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] WBCCI Survey
At 11:05 AM 2/13/2004, Rick Langer wrote:
>After reading about the rule of "no camp fires" at WBCCI rallies
Where did you read this?
I think that every single WBCCI rally I have ever gone to has had
campfires....
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:15:03 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Framing Question
Hello,
I will be replacing the same support in my 59 tomorrow morning. The
screws will hit two wall ribs and the rest will go through the interior
skin with no other support. I am in the process of determining if I can
get rid of screws and go to rivets for this project to protect to new
wiring I have installed. I do know that it should support the bed if you
go through the skin as the 59 I am restoring show no stress in that
area.
Good luck
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
69 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of nickruthwarren
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:48 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Framing Question
I have been investigating the underside of the rear bed in our trailer
and have a question about the framing. It seems the frame is anchored
to the aluminium by screws along the length of the bed. I guess the
majority of the weight on that cross piece is supported by the framing
at each end, my question is: are the screws anchoring to anything more
than the sheet aluminium or are they spaced to anchor through the
aluminium onto one of the "joists" behind? The screws don't appear to
align with the vertical line of rivets which I am guessing is where the
joists are?
If anyone would care to enlighten me I would much appreciate it.
Ruth Warren
1961 Tradewind.
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:44:04 -0600
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Discontent with WBCCI
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:04:17 -0700, Rob Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>
>"To be ever mindful of what we say or print with respect to the affect
>on others so as to avoid disharmony and ill feelings among club members
>and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the members
>of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and mutual understanding."
this is ridiculous and is equivalent to a touchy feely Communist Manifesto. To
even think that we all would agree with it assumes that we are NON US CITIZENS
without our BofR protected Freedom of Speech.
Thanks for sending the lines quoted above along to us.
I will send it to the ACLU and see if they don't agree that this "oath" needs to
be challenged in court. <g> heh, THAT would give WBCCI lots of press like AARP
and its long held position on NO gun ownership.
Toby, thanks for letting us air this out here, I AM surprised!
fwiw
chas
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WBCCI/WDCU #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
'76 Sovereign '02 E350 SD PSD, Prodigy, Pullrite
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