VAL Digest V1 #150

VAL Digest          Friday, February 6 2004          Volume 01 : Number 150




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Re: [VAL] Newcomer to valist
[VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report
RE: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report
[VAL] Window Frame
RE: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report
Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report
RE: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report
Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report
Re: [VAL] model terminology
Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report
[VAL] Re: XM
[VAL] Re: 67 furnace
Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report
Re: [VAL] Window Frame
Re: [VAL] Re: 67 furnace
Re: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
RE: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:17:40 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Newcomer to valist

Hi Ruth and the Tin Can Clan,
I would love to get the dollar tour but, alas, the geographic landscape
between us could very well prevent it from happening. Got any photos? If so,
email 'em. Love to see 'em.


Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin (another trade Wind owner)
VAC #2699, TCT ( the trailer's vintage, I'm not quite yet)
stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net



on 2/4/04 10:34 AM, nickruthwarren at nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:

> Hi Tom.
> 
> Welcome to the list.  I too am new to this and very much enjoy watching the
> comings and goings of the list, and have found you all to be so helpful with
> information for one so green.
> 
> I have recently acquired a 24' Tradewind which I am busy preparing for
> fulltiming in six weeks with my husband and two smalls.  I have much too
> accomplish and little I could do with out this list.  Thanks.
> 
> By the way Tom, I am in Frederick MD which isnt too much of a hike if you
> want a tour!
> 
> Ruth Warren & the Tin Can Clan.
> 1961 Tradewind.

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:29:13 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report

Hi All,

Good news, work has begun in ernest on my FC! Rick March emailed me 
that the 12 volt system is in and running to my new Fantastic Fans, 
includes a new convertor and battery. All new 110 wiring through out 
the trailer and to my new air conditioner. They are working on the 
black and grey tanks now!

I have ordered a Newport Propane Fireplace that will be installed where 
the old furnace was and will vent up to the stove pipe already in 
position. Have any of you seen one? They are really cool! It is only 5" 
deep and has a glass door so that you can see the flame, really looks 
like a fireplace! I did a search on the internet and the prices ranged 
from $599 to $417!!!! Pays to search around!

The A/S plant is really working hard on her! Can hardly wait to take 
"Pearl" to Lansing to show her off! I'm saving the polishing for me to 
do with my new cyclo! It's about the only thing that I can do myself 
without all the skills you guys have!


Patti
Long Island, NY
1954 Flying Cloud
2003 Safari
02 2500 Suburban
WBCCI # 3321
Washington DC Unit
VAC

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:55:12 -0600
From: "Chris Siiteri" <chris.siiteri@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub

Hello Ed, et al.

I also have this same question, as I have removed the tub to replace a
section of floor in the bathroom.  I was considering taking it to one of the
local "nu-surface" establishments, that restore shower stalls, tubs etc.  In
the floor, I found a twelve to eighteen inch rotted section at the joint
between the wardrobe and the tub enclosure, where water had seeped in from
the shower spray.  The curve of the surface provide by the foam stuff seems
to be important.  It appears that it supports not only the weight carrying
load inside, but also the drain pipe asssembly.  The drain pipe in ours
cracked, perhaps in part because of the deterioration of the foam stuff.
(Our trailer was also negatively impacted from extended use with worn axles
and shocks).  The frame was rusted so badly from plumbing leaks and water
wicking under the rear skin, we  replaced two feet of the main girders, and
beefed up two cross-members.  The floor patch in the back of the trailer
required complete removal of all bathroom fixtures.  When I looked at the U
channel, it was rusted, and broken in about a dozen places, so I had to
remove the interior skin panels to effect a repair there.  I am in the
process of fabricating a new U-channel for the rear bow, since A/S only
makes one for the wide bodies now, and I have not been able to locate one
for the narrow bodies.  Patience is a difficult thing to prescribe to my
spouse at this point!

Chris in Austin
'63 Ambassador

 <I noticed that the bottom is covered with a Styrofoam type substance. Some
of it is missing and I would like to replace this as I think it offers
padding between the tub and the floor. Anyone out there ever replace this
"substance"?>

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:48:11 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report

Patricia

Thanks for keeping us posted - I'm excited and looking forward to seeing it 
this summer.  Will you get it polished before the VAC rally?

Ken J.

At 01:29 PM 02/05/04 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Good news, work has begun in ernest on my FC! Rick March emailed me that 
>the 12 volt system is in and running to my new Fantastic Fans, includes a 
>new convertor and battery. All new 110 wiring through out the trailer and 
>to my new air conditioner. They are working on the black and grey tanks now!
>
>I have ordered a Newport Propane Fireplace that will be installed where 
>the old furnace was and will vent up to the stove pipe already in 
>position. Have any of you seen one? They are really cool! It is only 5" 
>deep and has a glass door so that you can see the flame, really looks like 
>a fireplace! I did a search on the internet and the prices ranged from 
>$599 to $417!!!! Pays to search around!
>
>The A/S plant is really working hard on her! Can hardly wait to take 
>"Pearl" to Lansing to show her off! I'm saving the polishing for me to do 
>with my new cyclo! It's about the only thing that I can do myself without 
>all the skills you guys have!
>
>
>Patti
>Long Island, NY
>1954 Flying Cloud
>2003 Safari
>02 2500 Suburban
>WBCCI # 3321
>Washington DC Unit
>VAC
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:00:28 EST
From: MrBSA@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Window Frame

Can someone help me.   I have a 1963 Bambi.   One of the side window frames 
is missing two of its four parts.   The top part and one side leg is still 
intact.  The other side leg and bottom is missing.  So I have one half of a "L"  
and need the other half to make a complete square frame.  Does anyone have any 
idea as where to get the two parts or a complete frame.  The size of the frame 
is approximately 28 3/4 x 18 1/4. I need to get a frame before I can start 
asking for help regarding the cranks and glass.

Thanks, 

Harris Turner
1963 Bambi (with one missing window}

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:21:54 -0800
From: "Tim  Shephard" <timshephard@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report

She ought to take it to the rally unpolished and bring her cyclo and have a
demo/practice session by the other attendees ;-)

- -Tim


- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Kenneth E. Johansen
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:48 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report


Patricia

Thanks for keeping us posted - I'm excited and looking forward to seeing it
this summer.  Will you get it polished before the VAC rally?

Ken J.

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:42:11 -0800
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report

> She ought to take it to the rally unpolished and bring her cyclo and have
a
> demo/practice session by the other attendees ;-)
>
> -Tim

I did that at the International last year and only 2sq ft were done. It did
inspire me to go further so I now have most of the supplies to do the job.
Lots and lots of time is the next requirement.
Colin

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:21:18 -0800
From: "Tim  Shephard" <timshephard@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report

Yep.  94 hours for me so far and I have not really used the cyclo yet!

- -Tim
www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim  
eFax (508)590-0320


> She ought to take it to the rally unpolished and bring her cyclo and have
a
> demo/practice session by the other attendees ;-)
>
> -Tim

I did that at the International last year and only 2sq ft were done. It did
inspire me to go further so I now have most of the supplies to do the job.
Lots and lots of time is the next requirement.
Colin

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:07:15 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report

When and where is the VAC ralley?
Jim Smith

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:33:40 -0500
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] model terminology

Chris Koehn wrote:
> Hi all-
> I have a 1979 31'  


International = Trim Package


Land Yacht = Sounds classier than "trailer"


Sovereign. = "Sovereign of the Road".  Largest model made that year.

<snip>

Matt Worner
'75 Sovereign et. al. (Queen of the Fleet)

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:44:18 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report

Jim:

   For information on the Rocky Mountain VAC Rally, go to:

http://www.insideout-design.net/2004vacrally/info.html


Fred Coldwell
Denver, CO.  

JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> 
> When and where is the VAC ralley?
> Jim Smith
> 
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:06:33 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: XM

I had my XM radio tuned to the 60's station from NY to Colorado for the 
Rocky Mt. Rally! It never lost the reception except In PA when I was 
going thru the tunnels! I swear by it Daisy, it makes the tow go quick, 
and if I get punchy I tune to the comedy channel and laugh so hard I 
miss my exit!

Patti

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:09:24 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: 67 furnace

Hey Paul,

Have you resurrected the 67 furnace yet?

Patti

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:16:06 -0700
From: Rob Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flying Cloud News Report

Patti,

Can't wait to see Pearl at the RM VAC Rally next August!

Rob Davis
'64 GT, #1824, VAC


Patricia V. Raimondo wrote:

> The A/S plant is really working hard on her!

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:16:59 -0500
From: "Jim Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Window Frame

Harris, I doubt you will find a ' 63 window frame. Luckily, you have part of
one that would enable a fabricator to make the other missing parts for you.
That's the route I'd pursue.

Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MrBSA@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:00 PM
Subject: [VAL] Window Frame


> Can someone help me.   I have a 1963 Bambi.   One of the side window
frames
> is missing two of its four parts.   The top part and one side leg is still
> intact.  The other side leg and bottom is missing.  So I have one half of
a "L"
> and need the other half to make a complete square frame.  Does anyone have
any
> idea as where to get the two parts or a complete frame.  The size of the
frame
> is approximately 28 3/4 x 18 1/4. I need to get a frame before I can start
> asking for help regarding the cranks and glass.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Harris Turner
> 1963 Bambi (with one missing window}

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:55:22 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: 67 furnace

Patti,

If I said yes, I would be lying. From the last time I saw you, I went back
to work
were I was slammed. We had  very busy end of year. Christmas day I got sick
and was down for three weeks. Since the second week of Jan. I have spent one
week in Boston, Ma and one week in New Orleans with work. And now I'm
trying to get ready for the Florida State Rally, leaving the 13th. The
problem,
the trailer is out in the middle of a field, snow all around and we have
snow/freezing
rain and rain coming down over the next 24 hours. The awning came off the
trailer
leaving only the metal outside rap attached to the trailer. Need to figure
how to get
that off by Thursday the 12th of Feb. before we leave. My hopes of fixing my
heat
and air that you and Wayne gave me appears to be slipping away by spring.
There
is always hope! Are you going to the rally in Fl.?

Paul


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: [VAL] Re: 67 furnace


> Hey Paul,
>
> Have you resurrected the 67 furnace yet?
>
> Patti
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:49:27 -0500
From: "chyde" <brownhyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub

> I also have this same question, as I have removed the tub to replace a
> section of floor in the bathroom.  I was considering taking it to one of
the
> local "nu-surface" establishments, that restore shower stalls, tubs etc.
> Chris in Austin
> '63 Ambassador
>
>  <I noticed that the bottom is covered with a Styrofoam type substance.
Some
> of it is missing and I would like to replace this as I think it offers
> padding between the tub and the floor. Anyone out there ever replace this
> "substance"?

Chris & Ed,
Acrylic hot tubs are thermoformed out of large sheets of acrylic, then
reinforced with fiberglass applied to the back surface. Urethane foam blocks
and spray on Urethane foam are often used to insulate and to create a flat
surface on the bottom of the tub. Urethane foam is compatible with polyester
resins and epoxy resins (styrofoam is not) commonly used in fiberglass
construction so you are able to glass right over the shaped foam without
worrying that the foam will degrade. I don't believe that urethane foam
blocks are available at the retail level but you can buy it in a sprayable
form. Look in the insulation dept of any home renovation store for the
sprayable "gap sealer" for homes. You will be able to spray this stuff onto
surfaces and it will expand considerably. Once it has hardened you can shape
it with common hand tools like saws and rasps. Covered with fiberglass, it
turns into a structural element.
As far as repairing the surface gelcoat on the tub, you are better off
repairing it as you would repair an auto body or a boat then paint it with
modern two part auto paint. Old gelcoat parts typically show small hairline
cracks. These cracks are not structural. Just grind or sand out the crack
right down to the glass then build it up again with body filler. I have been
using PPG Concept two part auto paint on my restorations. You can get
virtually any color mixed at an auto body supply shop. They can also add
"flatting" agents if required. You can also purchase mixed colors that were
mistakes (at a reduced price) then play with the color mixing yourself.
Hope this helps out,
Colin
(Building monocoque composite accessible vehicles in my other life.)

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:15:56 -0500
From: "Peter Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub

I just had my tub in my house painted from one of the resurfacers.  Not
worth the time and cost.  All they used was a 2 part epoxy paint and did
little to stop dust etc. from falling on the tub.  The result was a semi
gloss tub with a lot of "stuff" in the paint.  They guarentee it not to
crack or peel for 10 years, but you're not allowed to use much of anything
to clean it or it will void the warranty.  They even say not to leave soap
on the tub.  It was very soft for a couple of weeks, much longer than the 36
hour drying period they recommended.  It is getting harder now, but gathers
water spots, surface marks etc., rather easily.  Don't know if all the
companies are the same, but it sure didn't come out like the tubs they
advertise at the home shows or in their pictures.  Save some money and do it
yourself.  You can control the environment better and get the finish you
want.  Its all in the prep work.

As far as the expanding foam, it works great, but you will have to do
something to hold the tub in place.  As the foam expands it is very powerful
and has the potential to lift the light tub rather than just fill the void
between the tub and the floor.
Pete

- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of chyde
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:49 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub


> I also have this same question, as I have removed the tub to replace a
> section of floor in the bathroom.  I was considering taking it to one of
the
> local "nu-surface" establishments, that restore shower stalls, tubs etc.
> Chris in Austin
> '63 Ambassador
>
>  <I noticed that the bottom is covered with a Styrofoam type substance.
Some
> of it is missing and I would like to replace this as I think it offers
> padding between the tub and the floor. Anyone out there ever replace this
> "substance"?

Chris & Ed,
Acrylic hot tubs are thermoformed out of large sheets of acrylic, then
reinforced with fiberglass applied to the back surface. Urethane foam blocks
and spray on Urethane foam are often used to insulate and to create a flat
surface on the bottom of the tub. Urethane foam is compatible with polyester
resins and epoxy resins (styrofoam is not) commonly used in fiberglass
construction so you are able to glass right over the shaped foam without
worrying that the foam will degrade. I don't believe that urethane foam
blocks are available at the retail level but you can buy it in a sprayable
form. Look in the insulation dept of any home renovation store for the
sprayable "gap sealer" for homes. You will be able to spray this stuff onto
surfaces and it will expand considerably. Once it has hardened you can shape
it with common hand tools like saws and rasps. Covered with fiberglass, it
turns into a structural element.
As far as repairing the surface gelcoat on the tub, you are better off
repairing it as you would repair an auto body or a boat then paint it with
modern two part auto paint. Old gelcoat parts typically show small hairline
cracks. These cracks are not structural. Just grind or sand out the crack
right down to the glass then build it up again with body filler. I have been
using PPG Concept two part auto paint on my restorations. You can get
virtually any color mixed at an auto body supply shop. They can also add
"flatting" agents if required. You can also purchase mixed colors that were
mistakes (at a reduced price) then play with the color mixing yourself.
Hope this helps out,
Colin
(Building monocoque composite accessible vehicles in my other life.)

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