VAL Digest V1 #144

VAL Digest         Saturday, January 31 2004         Volume 01 : Number 144




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] Rivets w or w/o
Re: [VAL] Sandwiched Flooring
[VAL] Lansing
[VAL] access panel handle w/ lock
Re: [VAL] Generators - some good deals, lots of choices here
Re: [VAL] access panel handle w/ lock
Re: [VAL] access panel handle w/ lock
Re: [VAL] Rivets w or w/o
Re: [VAL] Generators - some good deals, lots of choices here
[VAL] generators - honda - RED & BLACK painted engines
Re: [VAL] Rivets w or w/o
[VAL] Here's a good deal - free shipping 5kw Honda generator/Pramac generator
[VAL] Wkheel lock 
RE: [VAL] Bargman #9

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:58:48 -0600
From: "William Durkee" <bdkli@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Rivets w or w/o

I plan on doing some repair work to the skin of the Airstream.  Is is best 
to get the olympic rivets with whashers or without and use vulkem?

Bill Durkee
1969 Sovereign
03 Ram 1500 Quad

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:41:20 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Sandwiched Flooring

Took a little digging and computing.

Douglas fir weighs 0.017 pounds / cubic inch, aluminum 0.097 pounds /
cubic inch. So for a given area aluminum 0.144 inch thick weighs the
same as 3/4 plywood.

The bending strength of a beam is proportional to the height cubed and
the ultimate fiber strength. For ordinary wood that ultimate fiber
strength is taken as 1200 psi, though really good truss lumber gets up
to 2600 psi, and LVL sometimes greater. Aluminum runs 20,000 to 60,000
psi depending on alloy and heat treatment plus aging. Taking typical
values of 1200 psi for wood and 30,000 psi for aluminum, 3/4 plywood has
a relative strength value (height cubed time fiber strength) of 506,
0.144 aluminum has a value of 90. Based on this computation it would
take aluminum 0.256" thick to have the same stiffness as 3/4 plywood.
And that aluminum floor would weigh 1.95 times the plywood floor.

That's where the composites come in. Spacing metal skins (the stress is
greatest at the skins even in solid bars) makes better use of the metal.
Its more complex to compute and I'm lazy, but I'm guessing that a pair
of 1/32" skins spaced 3/4" by balsa, foam, or honeycomb would be stiffer
than the 3/4" wood floor and significantly lighter. But those thin skins
would dimple easily.

Let tell a tale about aircraft designers that I heard once. A friend of
mine went directly from college to McDonald aircraft. He was an
electrical engineer, like me. He told me once about a ladder and work
platform designed by an aircraft structural engineer. It was light and
easily moved about the shop, but the first time two workmen climbed on
it, it collapsed. He'd only designed for one...

We know that 3/4 plywood spans 2' in floors of houses with quite a bit
of tolerance for poor uniformity and hollows in the plywood. We can
compute aluminum to a tighter tolerance because its much more uniform,
but still it can be overloaded if we don't allow for two people being in
the same span and those two people having gained a bit over time.

Gerald J.
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Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:45:24 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Lansing

I know it's a long way off, but who from the northeast is going and is 
looking to buddy up ?

Daisy

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:04:47 -0600
From: "William Durkee" <bdkli@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] access panel handle w/ lock

I have to replace the T handle and lock on the trunk door and refrigerator 
access door.  Does anyone know who made the original handle?  Is it still 
possible to order today?  Is there a good replacement?

Bill Durkee
1969 Sovereign
03 Ram 1500 Quad

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:26:41 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Generators - some good deals, lots of choices here

Is anyone familier with the Pramac generators that they are selling - honda 
motors for $449.....

They also have Porter Cable generators for 499 with honda motors


Ken J.

At 08:21 PM 01/29/04 -0500, you wrote:
><http://www.southwestfastener.com/productsAllGenerators.htm>
>
>Lots of different generators here, all brand names including Honda, Yamaha,
>etc.
>
>Tom
>WBCCI 5303
>
>From: "Peter Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > Try ebay and a web search with google or webcrawler.  I used "honda
> > generator" and found a lot of links.  Ebay had a lot of "buy it now" new
> > generators which were about the same price as buying it from a dealer - in
> > fact most were dealers.  Be sure to remember "buyer beware" if you buy a
> > used one.  In the back of Trailer Life magazine, there are two ads for
> > hondas.  www.mayberrys.com/camping has the 2000i listed for $899 with free
> > shipping and www.hicklinpower.com doesn't have a price, but their ad says
> > that "if you didn't buy it from us, you probably paid too much!"  I got
>mine
> > from http://hondashop.com about a year and a half ago for $850 and no
> > shipping cost (or tax).  No financial interest or knowledge of any
> > particular site.
> > Pete
>
> > any suggestions on the best place to get a deal on that honda generator.
>it
> > has been my experience that although honda's quality is excellent, they
>tend
> > to control their markets and suppress dealers from discounting. in other
> > words a bit of "price fixing".
> > thanks again
> > harry
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:49:44 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] access panel handle w/ lock

Look at www.mcmaster.com. Look at their catalog number 1210A81 or
80625A54 (black finish).

Or look for locking T handles in a RV catalog (such as the Byerly one
I've quoted from before) with and adjustable latch or zinc cam. Or at
cam locks. Might not be a perfect visual match, but should fit and work
well.

Gerald J.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:39:11 -0600
From: "William Durkee" <bdkli@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] access panel handle w/ lock

Thanks Gerald I think the McMaster-Carr site will work out well for me.

Bill Durkee
1969 Sovereign
03 Ram 1500 Quad

>From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>Subject: Re: [VAL] access panel handle w/ lock
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:49:44 -0600
>
>Look at www.mcmaster.com. Look at their catalog number 1210A81 or
>80625A54 (black finish).
>
>Or look for locking T handles in a RV catalog (such as the Byerly one
>I've quoted from before) with and adjustable latch or zinc cam. Or at
>cam locks. Might not be a perfect visual match, but should fit and work
>well.
>
>Gerald J.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:16:45 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Rivets w or w/o

Bill - get the ones without washers and use Vulkem instead. The washer just
get in the way.

Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT 

on 1/30/04 8:58 AM, William Durkee at bdkli@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:

> I plan on doing some repair work to the skin of the Airstream.  Is is best
> to get the olympic rivets with whashers or without and use vulkem?
> 
> Bill Durkee
> 1969 Sovereign
> 03 Ram 1500 Quad

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:30:47 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Generators - some good deals, lots of choices here

The Pramac line appears to be Italian - from the Pramac website.  This is a
world-wide company.

Tom

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From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Generators - some good deals, lots of choices here


> Is anyone familier with the Pramac generators that they are selling -
honda
> motors for $449.....
>
> They also have Porter Cable generators for 499 with honda motors
>
>
> Ken J.
>
> At 08:21 PM 01/29/04 -0500, you wrote:
> ><http://www.southwestfastener.com/productsAllGenerators.htm>
> >
> >Lots of different generators here, all brand names including Honda,
Yamaha,
> >etc.
> >
> >Tom
> >WBCCI 5303
> >
> >From: "Peter Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > > Try ebay and a web search with google or webcrawler.  I used "honda
> > > generator" and found a lot of links.  Ebay had a lot of "buy it now"
new
> > > generators which were about the same price as buying it from a
dealer - in
> > > fact most were dealers.  Be sure to remember "buyer beware" if you buy
a
> > > used one.  In the back of Trailer Life magazine, there are two ads for
> > > hondas.  www.mayberrys.com/camping has the 2000i listed for $899 with
free
> > > shipping and www.hicklinpower.com doesn't have a price, but their ad
says
> > > that "if you didn't buy it from us, you probably paid too much!"  I
got
> >mine
> > > from http://hondashop.com about a year and a half ago for $850 and no
> > > shipping cost (or tax).  No financial interest or knowledge of any
> > > particular site.
> > > Pete
> >
> > > any suggestions on the best place to get a deal on that honda
generator.
> >it
> > > has been my experience that although honda's quality is excellent,
they
> >tend
> > > to control their markets and suppress dealers from discounting. in
other
> > > words a bit of "price fixing".
> > > thanks again
> > > harry
> >
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:42:35 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] generators - honda - RED & BLACK painted engines

I've been informed that Honda makes two types of engines - the better choice
is RED in color and the "basic economy" Honda line is now the BLACK painted
engines.  I own three of the RED Honda GX series engines and have never had a
moments trouble out of any of them.

For me, I'd stick with the RED painted Honda engines rather than going with
their "economy" Black engines.

Tom

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:43:52 -0600
From: "William Durkee" <bdkli@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Rivets w or w/o

Thanks Brad :)

Bill Durkee
1969 Sovereign
03 Ram 1500 Quad

>Bill - get the ones without washers and use Vulkem instead. The washer just
>get in the way.
>
>Brad Norgaard
>Phoenix
>'59 Trade Wind Twin
>VAC #2699, TCT

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:55:59 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Here's a good deal - free shipping 5kw Honda generator/Pramac generator

        GENERATOR ES5000MHHPI *MTTG STD, 5000 WATT, 9 HP HONDA
            12040MTTG


      http://www.pwmall.com/detail.aspx?ID=2142

      Free shipping via UPS.

      Price:  $999.99

      You will be giving up some of the "goodies" like an hour-meter and such
by going with this plain Jane model - but the price seems right for 5kw.

      Tom

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 04 18:23:37 -0700
From: Roy Lashway <rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Wkheel lock 

For those interested in another wheel lock  option check out the "Alpha 
Lock AL700B, Vehicle Wheel Immobilizer" by Alpha Industries.  Sells for 
around $130.  See at http://www.cubrando.com/universal. Try your local 
commercial trailer (non RV) sellor.  They may carry it.  

Roy Lashway
'78 Argosy,'56 Bubble
WBCCI 1610     VAC
rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com
web site: www.zianet.com/rlashway
   (polishing report included)  

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:53:18 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Bargman #9

Hello,
Try airstreamdreams.com, they might have what you need.
Thanks
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425 
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler (being restored too!)

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Subject: [VAL] Bargman #9


Does anyone know of a source for Bargman #9 taillights?  Start to
restore a 
1958 Traveler. 

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