VAL Digest V1 #14

VAL Digest         Tuesday, September 23 2003         Volume 01 : Number 014




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[VAL] Then there were two...
RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry
RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry
[VAL] veneers
RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry
[VAL] US 219 in PA & NY?
RE: [VAL] veneers
RE: [VAL] veneers
RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry
RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry
[VAL] Wallmart
Re: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry
Re: [VAL] Wallmart
Re: [VAL] Wallmart - gray water tank
[VAL] Heater repair
[VAL] Undercabinet Air-Conditioning
[VAL] Pictures
Re: [VAL] Heater repair
Re: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry
[VAL] Complete Floor Replacement
RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry
[VAL] best of two worlds
Re: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry
Re: [VAL] best of two worlds

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:35:02 -0400
From: "C B Rollins" <canartgrp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Then there were two...

Oops- went and got the LandYacht thingie I bought via eBay back in July from 
north of Lake George NY- now it's in the front yard under the jealous gaze 
of the GlobeTrotter. Towed home just fine, in fact more stable than the 
little one; but I got into a construction delay on the Northway where 3 
lanes went down to 1 with no advance warning- 1 hour to go 5 miles which I 
could have neatly avoided on the state highway if there had only been some 
advance notice. My clutch leg feels like Popeye's now. Tomorrow I'll start 
poking around in the old beast and see what really goes on...CB Rollins  
South Amherst Massachusetts

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:09:17 -0400
From: "Lynn Evans" <Earth2lynn@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry

I know this may sound like a vent but I just have to mention it to folks
who would understand and it's not real busy on the list.

I had no idea how involved and time consuming it would be to build all
new cabinets and closets and walls in this unit!  We are really enjoying
this "fun part" but we are wearing a path thru the concrete driveway
while running to the trailer fitting each tiny piece cuz EVERYTHING is
curved or angled in some funny way!!! Good thing we saved old walls and
the top and kitchen cabinets to use as patterns.....I would be using up
lots of cardboard making templates for those curvy walls. Good thing too
my Mr was indulgent enuf to get good jig saw and ban saw and drum sander
to shape the pieces.

This is a 67 22' safari and I wondered if someone with one knows....is
the wood teak or oak or both?  I stained the one wall by the bath that
kept and it sure looked like the teak that I oiled so much on a sailboat
but the cabinets look like oak.  If it's teak then we will take them
apart and plane the solid pieces but not if it's oak. The Mr can make
his boxes from it.  Oak is firewood here!  It has a driftwood stain and
is groddy anyway so it's hard to tell.

Also...does anyone else who does this work use Kreg screw system?  It is
so great at holding joints...I had to mention it.  We got it at a
woodworking show 2 years ago and use it all the time...even for fine
cabinetry. It's a way of efficiently toenailing joints together with a
jig....like the galley cabinet frame and the closet frames.

We have built several cabinets and furniture items but I had no idea
this thing would take so much custom fitting.  And I can't really draw
an efficient plan...everything is sorta done in place as we go with my
plans as only guides.  I had no idea rivets we so strong either...I
gotta admit I have really learned so much from all the work we have done
and still are doing.  It always makes me feel secure in that I know we
can fix it if it breaks...but it better not break for a while!!!  I've
worked too hard doing an overkill job at all of it!!!

Guess I feel better getting it out!!! Back to non-square building
shelves.
Lexxy/aka/Lynn
http://flummoxed.org/lexxey/

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry

> This is a 67 22' safari and I wondered if someone
> with one knows....is
> the wood teak or oak or both?  

it could be either teak or oak, but I'm going to say
that it's likely not thick enough to sand too much -
you definitely don't want to plane a laminate.

Toby

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:36:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] veneers

since the cabinet idea has come up - I wonder if
anyone has experience with veneers?

I was reading some literature from lowes mentioning
veneers that you "iron on" and I was wondering if
anyone thinks that this would be a bad idea in a
trailer that may get some moisture build up, or end up
getting hot in the sun?

Toby


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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:41:17 -0400
From: "Lynn Evans" <Earth2lynn@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry

The plywood could hardly hold up to sanding...it's thin on the top
veneer...I meant the solid wood trim could be planed and reused.

Lexxy/aka/Lynn
http://flummoxed.org/lexxey/


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it could be either teak or oak, but I'm going to say
that it's likely not thick enough to sand too much -
you definitely don't want to plane a laminate.

Toby

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:49:34 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] US 219 in PA & NY?

We will be heading up to the WDCU's Niagara Falls Rally later this week, 
and I am playing with my mapping software to find an "interesting" route.

One of those route's is to take US 219 from I-80 in PA North all the way to 
Buffalo.

Any info on wether or not this route is "friendly" when towing a 31' long 
trailer? How about availability of fuel?

We have taken a few "scenic" routes that turned out to be very slow and/or 
scary, and I would like to avoid that....

Dave

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WBCCI: 5074

1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio 

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:51:33 -0400
From: "Lynn Evans" <Earth2lynn@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] veneers

Me...Me...I know how to do veneers!  

I have used the iron-on trim on the sides of plywood shelves many times
with no problem in this humid south and it has never come off but when I
did the panels in some cabinet doors I used contact cement and a rubber
roller to hold it down.  Try to have as flat a surface as possible to
iron on the strips. It's not hard at all and cuts with a handknife.  A
lot can be done with veneers...sand and stain like regular wood. I am
making sure I get good coverage with polyurathane on everything in the
trailer and we are using Gorilla glue instead of yellow glue for joints.

I just made some neat panels for the bath and closet doors with
plexiglas with ricepaper decoupaged on it for a transluscent effect and
used several coats of topcoat to plastic coat it.

Lexxy/aka/Lynn
http://flummoxed.org/lexxey/



since the cabinet idea has come up - I wonder if
anyone has experience with veneers?

I was reading some literature from lowes mentioning
veneers that you "iron on" and I was wondering if
anyone thinks that this would be a bad idea in a
trailer that may get some moisture build up, or end up
getting hot in the sun?

Toby


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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:00:21 -0500
From: "Jarrod" <jarrodwhite@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] veneers

I put new veneer on the table top in my 66 Ambassador.  I bought mine at
Lowe's, but got the kind you glue on.  It has been two years and it has
held up well.

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[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Toby Folwick
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:37 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] veneers

since the cabinet idea has come up - I wonder if
anyone has experience with veneers?

I was reading some literature from lowes mentioning
veneers that you "iron on" and I was wondering if
anyone thinks that this would be a bad idea in a
trailer that may get some moisture build up, or end up
getting hot in the sun?

Toby


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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:10:57 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry

On a '67 the choices are Ash, Oak or Honduran Mahogany..
Best of luck,
RJ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Earth2lynn@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:Earth2lynn@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:09 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry
...........
> This is a 67 22' safari and I wondered if someone with one knows....is
> the wood teak or oak or both?  I stained the one wall by the bath that
> kept and it sure looked like the teak that I oiled so much on
> a sailboat
> but the cabinets look like oak.  If it's teak then we will take them
> apart and plane the solid pieces but not if it's oak. The Mr can make
> his boxes from it.  Oak is firewood here!  It has a driftwood
> stain and
> is groddy anyway so it's hard to tell.

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:26:50 -0400
From: Bob Patterson <bpatt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry

Hi Lynn,

I just finished the cabinets in a 53 Flying Cloud. I used 1/2 and 3/4 oak 
plywood for the walls with oak face frames to support drawers and doors. 
Using the old walls for templates is iffy as the curves of the wall seem 
vary enough to require individual fitting. Use a pencil and various size 
washers to trace the exact curve on each panel.

I have used the Kreg system and it worked great, much easier than the 
biscuit system.

Good luck on your project and if you need any help or pics email me direct.

Bob Patterson





>I had no idea how involved and time consuming it would be to build all
>new cabinets and closets and walls in this unit!
>
>Also...does anyone else who does this work use Kreg screw system?  It is
>so great at holding joints...I had to mention it.

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:32:16 EDT
From: AlanTBird@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Wallmart

Hey Guys!

We just ended a 10 day trip to a family reunion in South Fork Co....
On the third day after joining up with some relatives from Pa we spent one 
night at Walmart in Durango Co. ( GREAT TOWN~ LOTS OF things to see and do)

The next day we found notes on our rigs that read. " Dear valued Walmart 
shopper~
While we are pleased to see you and welcome you ~ we have agreed with local 
RV parks to post no overnight parking signs in our lots. With a list of a few 
parks on the page. 
My uncle in his infinite wisdom chose to go in and wrangle with the MGR. and 
got us another night if we agreed to leave by 7am.
So be aware that not all Wally's are as welcoming as others....depending on 
how hungry the locals are!

The rest of the trip was fabo. as we then stopped at Mesa Verde Co. then 
three days at grand canyon. It was our 6th trip there. We like to take friends and 
relatives there to see how they react to the BIG DITCH!!!!!

Only nitch in our 30 year old rig was a leaky gray water tank at 3/4 full and 
a flapping under belly pan near the axle where someone didn't put the rivets 
back in properly.

All systems worked flawless and the 91 Ford F250~ 460 pulled like a dream up 
all the big hills.

AlanT
Phx AZ
74 Safari

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:54:51 -0400
From: "Jim Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry

Lexxy, I replaced the bulkheads and cabinetry with ash in my ' 68 Tradewind.

Jim Greene
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lynn Evans" <Earth2lynn@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry


> I know this may sound like a vent but I just have to mention it to folks
> who would understand and it's not real busy on the list.
>
> I had no idea how involved and time consuming it would be to build all
> new cabinets and closets and walls in this unit!  We are really enjoying
> this "fun part" but we are wearing a path thru the concrete driveway
> while running to the trailer fitting each tiny piece cuz EVERYTHING is
> curved or angled in some funny way!!! Good thing we saved old walls and
> the top and kitchen cabinets to use as patterns.....I would be using up
> lots of cardboard making templates for those curvy walls. Good thing too
> my Mr was indulgent enuf to get good jig saw and ban saw and drum sander
> to shape the pieces.
>
> This is a 67 22' safari and I wondered if someone with one knows....is
> the wood teak or oak or both?  I stained the one wall by the bath that
> kept and it sure looked like the teak that I oiled so much on a sailboat
> but the cabinets look like oak.  If it's teak then we will take them
> apart and plane the solid pieces but not if it's oak. The Mr can make
> his boxes from it.  Oak is firewood here!  It has a driftwood stain and
> is groddy anyway so it's hard to tell.
>
> Also...does anyone else who does this work use Kreg screw system?  It is
> so great at holding joints...I had to mention it.  We got it at a
> woodworking show 2 years ago and use it all the time...even for fine
> cabinetry. It's a way of efficiently toenailing joints together with a
> jig....like the galley cabinet frame and the closet frames.
>
> We have built several cabinets and furniture items but I had no idea
> this thing would take so much custom fitting.  And I can't really draw
> an efficient plan...everything is sorta done in place as we go with my
> plans as only guides.  I had no idea rivets we so strong either...I
> gotta admit I have really learned so much from all the work we have done
> and still are doing.  It always makes me feel secure in that I know we
> can fix it if it breaks...but it better not break for a while!!!  I've
> worked too hard doing an overkill job at all of it!!!
>
> Guess I feel better getting it out!!! Back to non-square building
> shelves.
> Lexxy/aka/Lynn
> http://flummoxed.org/lexxey/

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:34:16 -0400
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Wallmart

This is why you should always ask the manager on duty if you can park in
their lot. In some locations overnight parking at Walmarts is illegal.

Scott
- ----- Original Message ----- 

> Hey Guys!
>
> We just ended a 10 day trip to a family reunion in South Fork Co....
> On the third day after joining up with some relatives from Pa we spent one
> night at Walmart in Durango Co. ( GREAT TOWN~ LOTS OF things to see and
do)
>
> The next day we found notes on our rigs that read. " Dear valued Walmart
> shopper~
> While we are pleased to see you and welcome you ~ we have agreed with
local
> RV parks to post no overnight parking signs in our lots. With a list of a
few
> parks on the page.
> My uncle in his infinite wisdom chose to go in and wrangle with the MGR.
and
> got us another night if we agreed to leave by 7am.
> So be aware that not all Wally's are as welcoming as others....depending
on
> how hungry the locals are!

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:06:17 EDT
From: JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Wallmart - gray water tank

Since your gray water tank leaked at 3/4 full doesn't mean it has a crack. 
Some of the drains going into a gray water tank are not sealed completely. They 
simply stick into the tank and are sealed with plumber putty. Some of the 
drains are in the middle rear of the tank instead of at the bottom rear. (not a 
good idea but Airstream sometimes had a lot of those)  You might check that seal 
before thinking about replacing the gray water tank. jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:59:26 EDT
From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Heater repair

Hello all: A few months ago I mentioned that I was going to take out the 
kitchen cabinet in my 1969 25ft Tradewind so that I could get at the heater.  The 
heater has been making those "there's something wrong with me" noises after it 
has been running for about 10 minutes.  Someone on this list said that I did 
not have to take out the sink and counter to get the heater out and that they 
would help me when I was ready.  I am ready but have forgotten the individuals 
name and e-mail.  Does Joy sound familiar?  If someone out there remembers my 
post and can offer advise on how to get this heater out without taking the 
sink cabinet apart, please let me know.

Tom Fairbank
1969 Tradewind
WBCCI 28199 (evaluating membership)

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:44:04 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Undercabinet Air-Conditioning

Does anyone on the List have an air conditioner with the intake and
exhaust going through the floor?

I have a picture of Ray Plumlee's 1955 Safari with the one in the
dinette seat, but he has since sold it.  Need some installation details
for the website, as this question comes up almost every week.
http://vintageairstream.com/archives1/55Safari/55Safari.html


Thanks,
RJ Dial
VintageAirstream.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:08:20 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Pictures

I have been fooling around with a program trying to set it up so that members
of this list will have somewhere to post some pictures of units, or items of
information to the list.

This is still in the early stages, as I am still testing, but if anyone would
like to see what it looks like, go to http://www.tompatterson.com/VALgallery/.
There isn't much in there, just some pictures of several of my units that I
uploaded as part of trying it out.

In actual use, I am going to require approval as a subscriber to this photo
gallery as well as to the Vintage list, before pictures can be uploaded, but
for now all it takes is to sign up and come up with a username and password.
I am also going to have to set some kind of guidelines so that we don't get
carried away and use up all the space I have on the server.  Right now, I have
set some limits, but all of this will probably change.

Go ahead and try it if you wish.  Bear in mind that whatever is going up there
right now will probably be erased when I finalize all of the details.

Meanwhile, If you encounter any problems, or questions, or suggestions, please
let me know.  Preferable off list, so we don't take up too much of the listees
time.

- -Tom

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:36:07 -0700
From: "Tim  Shephard" <tim@xxxxxxxxxx-pros.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Heater repair

On my '71 Safari, I had to remove the exhaust cover on the outside of the
trailer.  There are two screws holding the inside exhaust pipe to the
trailer wall under this cover that have to be taken out.

Then inside I removed the front cover of the heater off.  There is a screw
holding the heater in place in the housing.  You remove the screw, the gas
line and electrical wires.  Then the internals of the heater slide out of
the housing for servicing.

The actual heater box and vents stay in place.

good luck

- -Tim

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:59 PM
Subject: [VAL] Heater repair


> Hello all: A few months ago I mentioned that I was going to take out the
> kitchen cabinet in my 1969 25ft Tradewind so that I could get at the
heater.  The
> heater has been making those "there's something wrong with me" noises
after it
> has been running for about 10 minutes.  Someone on this list said that I
did
> not have to take out the sink and counter to get the heater out and that
they
> would help me when I was ready.  I am ready but have forgotten the
individuals
> name and e-mail.  Does Joy sound familiar?  If someone out there remembers
my
> post and can offer advise on how to get this heater out without taking the
> sink cabinet apart, please let me know.
>
> Tom Fairbank
> 1969 Tradewind
> WBCCI 28199 (evaluating membership)
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:17:51 EDT
From: M1492@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry

on my 67 safari the ply is birch & the framing is oak stained to look like 
birch
 I have goten birch ply from home dep. & the grain matches the orig ply in 
the trailer
 I just spray it with clear lac & steel wool it when dry



Mark
 67 safari
li n y

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:40:54 -0400
From: "Kevin W. Chop" <kevinchop@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Complete Floor Replacement

Hi,
Introduction: My name is Kevin Chop and I have been airstreaming since I 
was a kid with my folks starting in the late 60s. I have a 1976 
Tradewind that my wife and I have restored over the past 6 years. We 
have been VAC members over the past 3 years.

History: We are now in the process of restoring a 1957 Caravaneer (and 
need our heads examined!!!). The trailer was a "mouse house" for the 
past 10 plus years resting in a corn field of MN. The frame and outer 
shell is in excellent shape, but the floor is in poor condition. This is 
where we are at;

1. We have carefully removed all of the original trailer components and 
are in the process of restoration.

2. We have carefully removed the bottom sections of the inner skin to 
access rivets and belly skin (pan) that were riveted and partially 
rapped around the C" Channel.

3. We have removed both sections of the belly skin (pan).

4. The belly was infested with "mouse houses". We have cleaned and 
stored for replacement or re-installation. (any suggestions would be 
greatly appreciated)

5. We have temporarily randomly riveted the outer skin back to the C" 
Channel (where I had to remove rivets to release the belly pan) to keep 
everything held together.

6. Now we are ready to remove the rotted floor. HELP

Q: How do we proceed without loosing the integrity of the trailer? More 
specifically, the floor appears to be connecting the shell to the frame, 
how can we pull out the rotted sections of floor without the gap closing 
between the C" Channel and the frame?

Q: Secondly, on our 1976 tradewind, when removing parts of the floor the 
seams were bolted down with a floor type bolts/screws with a phillips 
type head for removal. This unit has just a flat head, how do I remove 
and what do I replace them with???

Your input and help would be greatly appreciated.

Kevin & Valerie Chop
Clinton, PA
#5585

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:29:18 -0500
From: "Chris Siiteri" <chris@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry

RJ, Do you have the specifications for wood interior on the '63 Ambassador?
Chris
On a '67 the choices are Ash, Oak or Honduran Mahogany..
Best of luck,
RJ

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:33:37 +0900
From: Jeffrey Fryckman <fryckman@xxxxxxxxxx.att.ne.jp>
Subject: [VAL] best of two worlds

Is there a way to receive both the digest and full list mails?

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:34:55 +0900
From: Jeffrey Fryckman <fryckman@xxxxxxxxxx.att.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: [VAL] building A/S cabinetry

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 11:26 PM, Bob Patterson wrote:

> Use a pencil and various size washers to trace the exact curve on each 
> panel.

Can you elaborate on thi for us?

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:51:33 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] best of two worlds

Sure is, just go to the list office at
http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/VAList/listoffice.html and sign up for
whichever one you are not already getting.  You will get both.  Actually,
this works because there are two different address files, one for the
regular list, and one for the digest.

- -Tom

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From: "Jeffrey Fryckman" <fryckman@xxxxxxxxxx.att.ne.jp>
To: "valist" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Cc: "sslist" <sslist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:33 PM
Subject: [VAL] best of two worlds


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