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VAL Digest V1 #129
VAL Digest Friday, January 16 2004 Volume 01 : Number 129
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Re: Polishing
Re: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
Re: [VAL] Re: Polishing
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #128 - 50A, 30A power
Re: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
Re: [VAL] Re: Polishing
Re: [VAL] Jim Smith wood pics
Re: [VAL] Central vac filters for older Airstreams?
Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
[VAL] Fw: SMTR - Smart Tire
Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #127 - Combo W/Ds for your RV?
Re: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
Re: [VAL] Re: Gas lines under the '66.
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #128 - Combo W/Ds?
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #128 - Combo W/Ds?
RE: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
RE: [VAL] Jim Smith wood pics
RE: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
RE: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
RE: [VAL] Vintage towing a vintage
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #128 - 50A, 30A power
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:33:47 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Polishing
Hi All,
Spoke to Rick March at the A/S plant yesterday and work on my 54 Flying
Cloud has begun! In conversation, Rick mentioned that his guys had
polished a 62 trailer at the plant and that they didn't start with the
compounder. They used the cyclo with different grades of polish and
said the result was smooth. Having just received both the DeWalt and
Cyclo is it neccessary to start off with the DeWalt?
Patti
Long Island, NY
1954 Flying Cloud
2003 Safari
02 2500 Suburban
WBCCI # 3321
Washington DC Unit
VAC
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:02:41 -0700
From: "Stan Truitt" <stan.truitt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
hello glyn
i have a front gaucho and curbside table that i have removed from my 66
safari. it is my intent to customize a front dinnete where these parts were.
i am in full throttle on the restoration of the interior and until i am
finished and sure of what i will use or need, i do not wish to part with
them at this time. once removed from the trailer, the gaucho is nothing more
than a rickety bunch of wooden face frame components with broken glue and
staple joints. it seems to get its ridgidity and strength from being
secured to the floor and having the plywood top screwed down. its only
unique parts are the hinges and latches on the cabinet storage doors. it
covers the fresh water tank and water pump in my trailer. the curb side
table i believe to be complete with hardware and extensions. these parts
would be harder to come by or reproduce. perhaps others here could advise
you about the compatibility of my gaucho and table from my 66 safari to your
69 caravel. if they are similar in nature i could do rough drawings and give
you some dimensions. at a later date, i could most likely part with the
table or table hardware. good luck with your project
harry truitt
66 safari
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
>
>
> 1. I need an entire Gaucho including curbside pull-out folding table
> for my 1969 Caravel.
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 06:59:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Polishing
it's not necessary, but in some people's experience it
leaves a "brighter" shine - In my personal experience
it seemed to "color" the aluminum better although the
difference may or may not be easily distinguishable to
someone who hasn't been staring at the actual aluminum
for several hours.
Toby
- --- "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Spoke to Rick March at the A/S plant yesterday and
> work on my 54 Flying
> Cloud has begun! In conversation, Rick mentioned
> that his guys had
> polished a 62 trailer at the plant and that they
> didn't start with the
> compounder. They used the cyclo with different
> grades of polish and
> said the result was smooth. Having just received
> both the DeWalt and
> Cyclo is it neccessary to start off with the DeWalt?
>
>
> Patti
> Long Island, NY
> 1954 Flying Cloud
> 2003 Safari
> 02 2500 Suburban
> WBCCI # 3321
> Washington DC Unit
> VAC
>
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:28:48 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #128 - 50A, 30A power
Newer motor homes and larger travel trailers typically have 240V 50A
supplies, so the RV parks are more and more equipped with this power.
This gives a capacity of 12KW in place of the 3.6KW available from a 120V
30A supply.
A converter connector is available to plug a 30A cord into a 50A
receptacle. It simply connects the 30A plug to the neutral, one side of
the 240V hot (which is 120V to earth ground), and to the ground wire,
leaving the other side of the 50A supply unused.
The land power breaker is 50A instead of the 30A called for by 120V 30A
trailers and MHs but the 30A breaker in the RV's own panel will still
trip if there is an overload.
If a 50A RV is stuck with a 30A land power supply and a converter
connector is used only one side of the panel in the RV will be live. No
240V equipment will operate, and nothing on the dead side of the RV panel
will work.
Al
.....................................
> I checked into the wiring in a mobile home park (same as RV except they
can have a couple 50 amp 240 volt lines) that was missing the separate
wire for neutral and ground to each pedestal an the local electrical
inspector was threatening to close the place unless they rewired (20
years ago or so). As far as I can tell, they either ran another conductor
to separate neutral and ground to each pedestal or closed down. There
wasn't any in between that could be negotiated. I tried.
>
.....................................
>
> Gerald
> - --
> Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
> Reproduction by permission only.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:40:15 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
Harry,
I'd be very interested in talking further with you about your Gaucho. I
thought that there were pretty sophisticated wood sliders that allowed it to
be pulled out for use as a berth. Am I mistaken on this?
I seem to remember seeing somewhere (can't remember where) that there's
a long metal U channel mounted on its side, the length of the front window
and way below it, that accepts the wood structure and plywood of the Gaucho.
As I recall, it's screwed into the inner skin and adds obvious strength to
the flimsy frame you speak of. Did you remember such a metal piece?
How about the wood arm rest on the street side, do you have that too?
The table and all the hardware of course is another story and I'd also
be very interested in talking more about that.
I'm pretty sure that my 1969 Caravel is 4 inches wider than the
equivalent 1966 version but don't know how it compares to a 1966 Safari. I
just went out to the back yard and measured the inner width. It's 90 3/8"
or 7' 6 3/8" wide. I measured just forward of the door, inner skin to inner
skin.
I'd also be interested in the hinges and cabinet doors too. What color
is the wood? It really doesn't make that much difference as I could,
without too much hassle, match whatever you have to my interior. Mine was a
blonde color, factory applied over a very light wood veneer with good grain
pattern. I'd say it was birch but for the interesting grain structure that
I don't often see on birch plywood at the lumber yard.
The immediate previous owners' wife took a rag saturated with a heavy
brown pigmented stain to all that beautiful wood, completely obscuring the
grain. Think deck stain and you've got the goop she wiped all over the
interior. I successfully removed the majority of it with acetone on a rag
and at least brought the grain back. I then applied Interlux marine satin
varnish to the entire interior, the result being a little less red than
teak, but still quite attractive. That alone took me the better part of two
weeks of solid work. What a job, what a nightmare!
Anyhow, enough of my troubles, let's talk. Where are you located? I'm
in Santa Monica CA.
Thanks for contacting me,
Glyn
Glyn Judson
850 Princeton St.
Santa Monica CA 90403-2218
Home phone: 310.453.1892
Cell phone: 310.804.9198
> From: "Stan Truitt" <stan.truitt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:02:41 -0700
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
>
> hello glyn
> i have a front gaucho and curbside table that i have removed from my 66
> safari. it is my intent to customize a front dinnete where these parts were.
> i am in full throttle on the restoration of the interior and until i am
> finished and sure of what i will use or need, i do not wish to part with
> them at this time. once removed from the trailer, the gaucho is nothing more
> than a rickety bunch of wooden face frame components with broken glue and
> staple joints. it seems to get its ridgidity and strength from being
> secured to the floor and having the plywood top screwed down. its only
> unique parts are the hinges and latches on the cabinet storage doors. it
> covers the fresh water tank and water pump in my trailer. the curb side
> table i believe to be complete with hardware and extensions. these parts
> would be harder to come by or reproduce. perhaps others here could advise
> you about the compatibility of my gaucho and table from my 66 safari to your
> 69 caravel. if they are similar in nature i could do rough drawings and give
> you some dimensions. at a later date, i could most likely part with the
> table or table hardware. good luck with your project
> harry truitt
> 66 safari
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:59 PM
> Subject: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
>
>
>>
>>
>> 1. I need an entire Gaucho including curbside pull-out folding table
>> for my 1969 Caravel.
>>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:51:46 -0500
From: "Jim Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
Tuna, my understanding is the other way around. I thought the vintage group
started first and Hunter started her group to discuss topics unrelated to
vintage AS. Any body know for sure?
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's
Point
> I think Hunter's Airstream List was the original one, and the Vintage List
> split off to focus more on issues of restoration and renovation -
Hunter's
> list is more focused on trailering, tow-vehicles, etc... when the topic of
> 'traveling with pets' began generating a whole lot of threads on the A/S
> list, she opened an "RV Pets' group, as well... Her 'Airstream List' is
very
> friendly and welcomes 'other brand' aluminum trailers, like Spartan,
Silver
> Streak, Streamline, and Avion...
>
> tuna
> reno, nv
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:54:32 EST
From: SHMossLanding@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Polishing
Hi Patti, Chuck here in California. I have polished several Airstreams. No,
it's not necessary to start with the compounder. It depends onwhat condition
the skin is in. I always start with the least abrasive compound, and work up to
what is necessary to achive the mirror finish. If you have oxidation, pits,
scratches, you will need to compound. If you try to do it all with the cyclo,
you will probaly spend your golden years still polishing. The secret to
getting the nice finish is to take your time, use alot less polish than you think.
I use the compounder, with 3 dots of polish about the size of a M&M. Then
working on a about a 1 foot square, compound first in a downward motion, then
across the same area left to right. After I have done about 6 square feet, I
repeat the process with the next grade of polish, and repeat and repeat. If you
go to PerfectPolish.com. they have the whole process.
Good Luck,
Chuck
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:16:28 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Jim Smith wood pics
No but I will take some over the weekend and send them to you as an
attachment,Much more is in process the instlation of the LCD tv is not done as it will
swivel in the bulkhead not installed yetthe raido-CD player and DvD player is
noy yet doneAnd other things needing done Recently had a sign shop make up new
numbers (3484) 6in red Old English this is a fun project
Jim Smith
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:18:55 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Central vac filters for older Airstreams?
Marc
Have you looked at replacement filters for shop vacs?
They look to be the same as what is used on a central vac and are available in
several sizes.
Bobby
Valdosta, GA
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Am I looking in vain for a filter for the central vacuum system in my 1978
Excella 31' Airstream? It was a part number 915-01, according to my
Service
Manual. The internet turns up nothing after numerous searches. Is it made
any more? And if not, does anyone know of a car aircleaner which has
proven
a match? It is a cylindrical paper filter, much like a car's.
Marc Bossiere
10195 S. Houghton Rd. #153
Tucson, AZ. 85747
1978 Excella
tel. 703-282-6063
mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com<mailto:mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:20:53 -0500
From: Dick Kenan <as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
Jim:
My understanding was at first there was the VAC list, but after a
while, the leadership of VAC list decided the list had become too general -
not oriented enough to the technical business of restoring vintage
trailers. They, therefore, decided to drop the list and start a new one
with more restrictive policies about topics. Hunter asked if she could
continue the list, so that we would have a more general trailering list,
and that was OK'd by the leadership of VAC. In that sense, Hunter's list
is the original one.
I think Hunter explained all this at one point on her list; or,
maybe, she just explained it to me one day.
- - Dick
(5368)
At 10:51 AM 1/15/2004, you wrote:
>Tuna, my understanding is the other way around. I thought the vintage group
>started first and Hunter started her group to discuss topics unrelated to
>vintage AS. Any body know for sure?
>
>Jim Greene
>' 68 Tradewind
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's
>Point
>
>
> > I think Hunter's Airstream List was the original one, and the Vintage List
> > split off to focus more on issues of restoration and renovation -
>Hunter's
> > list is more focused on trailering, tow-vehicles, etc... when the topic of
> > 'traveling with pets' began generating a whole lot of threads on the A/S
> > list, she opened an "RV Pets' group, as well... Her 'Airstream List' is
>very
> > friendly and welcomes 'other brand' aluminum trailers, like Spartan,
>Silver
> > Streak, Streamline, and Avion...
> >
> > tuna
> > reno, nv
>
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- -- Josh Billings
- ---------------------------------------
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
mailto:as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:25:24 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Fw: SMTR - Smart Tire
This is info I received from Smart Tire and thought I'd forward it on the the
VAC list.
Bobby
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Subject: RE: SMTR - Feedback Form
Dear Robert Gill:
Thank you for your interest in SmarTire.
SmarTire has just released a low pressure tow behind system (Road Voice)
that will work on tow cars, small trailers and light trucks as long as
the maximum cold pressure is 65 PSI. It is currently available through
two distributors:
Bob Dickman Tire 800-800-257-8430
Blue OX - 402-385-3051
Suggested retail for a four position Road Voice Kit is $449.95 USD. An
antenna kit is required for this product. Antenna kits range from
$35.00 - $50.00.
SmarTire has not yet released Gen II high pressure sensors that will
work on pressures above 65 PSI. SmarTire expects to release high
pressure sensors sometime in 2004. These high pressure sensors will be
an add on to the Gen II tow behind system. You will be able to read your
high pressure sensors from your tow behind full function display.
If you have any questions or require additional information, please
contact me at 888-982-3001.
Sincerely yours,
Shelley Lammers
Customer Service Manager
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:45:09 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
What's the link to Hunter's Site?
Bobby
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To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com<mailto:valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's
Point
Jim:
My understanding was at first there was the VAC list, but after a
while, the leadership of VAC list decided the list had become too general -
not oriented enough to the technical business of restoring vintage
trailers. They, therefore, decided to drop the list and start a new one
with more restrictive policies about topics. Hunter asked if she could
continue the list, so that we would have a more general trailering list,
and that was OK'd by the leadership of VAC. In that sense, Hunter's list
is the original one.
I think Hunter explained all this at one point on her list; or,
maybe, she just explained it to me one day.
- Dick
(5368)
At 10:51 AM 1/15/2004, you wrote:
>Tuna, my understanding is the other way around. I thought the vintage
group
>started first and Hunter started her group to discuss topics unrelated to
>vintage AS. Any body know for sure?
>
>Jim Greene
>' 68 Tradewind
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Wrom: ULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZ
>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com<mailto:valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's
>Point
>
>
> > I think Hunter's Airstream List was the original one, and the Vintage
List
> > split off to focus more on issues of restoration and renovation -
>Hunter's
> > list is more focused on trailering, tow-vehicles, etc... when the topic
of
> > 'traveling with pets' began generating a whole lot of threads on the
A/S
> > list, she opened an "RV Pets' group, as well... Her 'Airstream List' is
>very
> > friendly and welcomes 'other brand' aluminum trailers, like Spartan,
>Silver
> > Streak, Streamline, and Avion...
> >
> > tuna
> > reno, nv
>
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Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:47:34 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #127 - Combo W/Ds for your RV?
Some parks don't require clothes.
No clothes, no laundry.
Bobby
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #127 - Combo W/Ds for your RV?
Did it eaver occur to any of you that you can cut cown on laundry by turning
your underware and socks inside outand wareing them the 2nd day and
therefore
get both sides dirty before doin your laundry.
Jim Smith
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:51:45 -0700
From: "Stan Truitt" <stan.truitt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
hey glyn
the wood sliders you refer to are the only thing somewhat sophisticated.
although i have not examimed them closely, they are some sort of t&g setup.
i am going to re-do my side gaucho using the plans outlined in arlen
mannings website http://home.att.net/%7Eglobetrotter64/index.htm as i need
to extend the bed beyond its stock width. his plans will accommodate this
change. you should check out his site if you have not. i have no metal
channel as you describe although i had the idea to install one. there is a
wood stringer fastened to the wall to do the same purpose. the "arm rest"
you refer to is where the curbside of the gaucho terminates. it also houses
the table. as i recall, the table slides forward toward the door on some
metal track and once it clears the end of the "armrest", it lifts up on a
hinge and you fold down the table leg. the hinges and door fasteners are
most likely going to be used in my project. the wood in my trailer is made
up of hardwood face construction...mostly 1x2 and 1x3 hardwood, some maple
and some oak. all the sheet goods are plywood and plywood veneer. the veneer
as well as the hardwood were done is some sort of pickled or white washed
blonde type stain. i am convinced that the veneers are ash and some oak.
after removing some of the original opaque whitish stain, i applied a nice
light golden oak with a wipe on poly finish coat and i think it looks much
nicer. the grain patterns really come out. i have read in a number of
postings that the veneers were birch as well as what you had heard but they
do not look like any birch that i have ever seen. i reside in colorado, a
long way from santa monica. we can do further discussions off site. my
reasoning in posting for all to see was to possibly get you some feedback on
my gaucho vs the gaucho that you might have had originally. is it the same
or close...i do not know as i am new to airstreaming. thanks
harry
66 safari
From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
> Harry,
>
> I
> thought that there were pretty sophisticated wood sliders that allowed it
to
> be pulled out for use as a berth.
>
> I seem to remember seeing somewhere (can't remember where) that
there's
> a long metal U channel . Did you remember such a metal piece?
>
> How about the wood arm rest on the street side, do you have that too?
>
>
>
> I'd also be interested in the hinges and cabinet doors too. What
color
> is the wood?
>
>
>
> Anyhow, enough of my troubles, let's talk. Where are you located?
I'm
> in Santa Monica CA.
>
> Thanks for contacting me,
>
> Glyn
>
> Glyn Judson
> 850 Princeton St.
> Santa Monica CA 90403-2218
> Home phone: 310.453.1892
> Cell phone: 310.804.9198
>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:59 PM
> > Subject: [VAL] I need a Gaucho
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. I need an entire Gaucho including curbside pull-out folding table
> >> for my 1969 Caravel.
> >>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:01:02 -0700
From: "Stan Truitt" <stan.truitt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Gas lines under the '66.
thanks to all that replied to my copper gas line questions
harry truitt
66 safari
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Subject: [VAL] Re: Gas lines under the '66.
> Dear Harry,
> Ours is a '65 Trade Wind Twinn 24'. We have been working our way from
front
> to back on the interior. Underneath is the exposed propane gas piping just
as
> you described it on your rig. When I first saw it...I thought it might be
a
> previous owners micky mouse installation but as we got furthur into the
project
> we became better at seeing what was messed up by owners and what was the
> factory installation. We haven't decided whether or not to replace those
lines. They
> seem to be ok where we have reconnected new applainces to them.
> We did cut up and out all the original plumbing (copper) but have not
> replaced it yet. Has anyone relocated the water pump to the galley area?
We think
> that will eliminate one of the lines to the back of the rig. We did remove
the
> black water tank and cut and patched the top so the toilet base from the
new
> Thetford Aquamatic 4 will line up exactly. Sonrise RV in Escondido, Ca
made the
> patch out of fiberglass and installed a new soft rubber sleeve where the
toilet
> drain will slip into it. I've devised a two piece wood "Box" to support
the
> toilet and transfer all the weight to the rig floor and not to the tank.
If
> anyone wants the full scale drawing of that "Box" let me know. Our rear
> compartment is shaping up very nicely with all new components and the new
Vinyl
> "Parque" tiles. We even cleaned and painted the old battery tray and
topped it with
> some of the "Parque" tile. We have a new Thetford dump valve but reused a
much
> cleaned up plastic junction element where the grey and black water join.
All
> new gaskets here should keep this area very sanitary in the future.
> Stuart.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:14:15 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #128 - Combo W/Ds?
Combos were made by several American appliance makers back in the '60's
but they were not popular enough to be continued. They are not as suited
to doing large amounts of laundry as you can't have your first wash load
in the dryer and a second wash load running at the same time. The dryer
function will not hold as much as a conventional dryer of the same case
size, so if the combo washer is stuffed full it won't dry well.
The condensing dryer function of a ventless will not dry clothes bone
dry. they recommend that the clothes be taken out after a normal dry
cycle and let finish drying on hangers or out on the bed or something.
The vented combos will dry clothes as thoroughly as a separate
side-by-side or stack set. If the RV park includes the electricity in the
rent an extra dry cycle won't cost you any extra except a little wear and
tear on the machine and your clothes.
As to the cost, a conventional side-by-side set other than the absolute
base economy model will run $600+. The stack sets I see are $800. Vented
combos start around $800 and all that I see are semi-deluxe models.
The combos are smaller than the usual full size washing machine, but not
by much. They are similar to the compact size washing machines. There are
smaller models in depth but the width and height is about the same as the
larger capacity combo models.
Al G.
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:15:00 EST
> From: MaryDotson@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #127
>
> In a message dated 1/14/2004 1:03:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
> Back to more modern issues--has anyone used one of the combo
> washer/dryer units for RV's that I see advertised? Are they
> effective,
> are they water and energy efficient, etc?
>
> John
> I don't know what kind you are speaking of exactly (single combined
> machine
> or stackers), but a bit over ten years ago, I lived in London and
> the woman who
> I subleased a flat from owned a german (miele, I think) front
> loading
> washer/dryer. The same machine (small capacity) both washed and
> dried clothes. In my
> view, it was superior (in effectiveness) to toploading machines for
> washing
> clothes, but inferior to conventional machines in drying them. So,
> more often
> than not, we ended up line drying our stuff.
>
> A year and a half ago, many similar machines were featured in the US
> Dept of
> Energy's Solar Decathalon (which, incidently, featured a eco
> friendly
> retrofitted modern A/S). At that, a number of entries (from
> competing universities)
> featured the combined washer/dryer units, because they are
> exceptionally
> water/energy efficient. These are all made in Europe, are verrrrrry
> expensive (@
> $1k), small, and generally outperform machines on resource
> efficiency (even US
> products with Energy Star qualification). However, the folks I
> spoke to on
> the decathalon teams agreed--they still don't quite dry clothes as
> well as
> conventional dryers--but it might be an effective compromise, since
> they are nice,
> icient and small. And as far as washing clothes, that little thing
> got me
> hooked, I now own a front loader as my main home washing machine and
> would
> never return to toploaders.
>
> That said, I don't think you could ever run this while boondocking,
> so the
> efficiency might be moot if you had to have hookups anyways, though
> the space
> savings might make it worthwhile. Bear in mind, though, it still is
> a large
> thing to fit in a trailer (but I could see it taking the place of,
> say, the
> dresser in our Safari double).
>
> On the other hand, the manual machine I linked to before is much
> smaller
> (something that could fit, say, on a kitchen shelf). I have never
> heard of
> anything like that metal one you described. I like the idea of
> getting a system to
> clean clothes so you can take less and avoid laundromats--but I
> can't figure
> out if these manual things really work--or are durable enough to
> last more than
> 1-2 wash cycles...
>
> To all of you who emailed me publically and privately about your
> laundry
> experiences, I think we may have a thing here! Seems A/S road
> grunge brings out
> the dirty (but thankfully not risque) memories!
>
> Mary
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:47:33 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #128 - Combo W/Ds?
I've never stayed at an RV park that didn't have washers/dryers. Maybe
there are a few, but I haven't seen one.
A stack of quarters takes a lot less space than a W/D combination.
Roger
Roger Hightower
WBCCI #4165,VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
Mesa, AZ
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:19:47 -0500
From: "Tricia & Conrad Holsomback" <triconholsomback@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
We were on both lists when Hunter took over from the fellow who owned
the list (can't remember or pronounce his name, began with an "E").
Why don't you all just ask Hunter how she came about running it?
Tricia & Conrad
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[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Jim Greene
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:52 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at
Patterson's Point
Tuna, my understanding is the other way around. I thought the vintage
group
started first and Hunter started her group to discuss topics unrelated
to
vintage AS. Any body know for sure?
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at
Patterson's
Point
> I think Hunter's Airstream List was the original one, and the Vintage
List
> split off to focus more on issues of restoration and renovation -
Hunter's
> list is more focused on trailering, tow-vehicles, etc... when the
topic of
> 'traveling with pets' began generating a whole lot of threads on the
A/S
> list, she opened an "RV Pets' group, as well... Her 'Airstream List'
is
very
> friendly and welcomes 'other brand' aluminum trailers, like Spartan,
Silver
> Streak, Streamline, and Avion...
>
> tuna
> reno, nv
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:21:23 -0500
From: "Tricia & Conrad Holsomback" <triconholsomback@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Jim Smith wood pics
Thanks, Jim. Looking forward to seeing them.
Tricia & Conrad
No but I will take some over the weekend and send them to you as an
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:22:50 -0500
From: "Tricia & Conrad Holsomback" <triconholsomback@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
It is a Yahoo group, you'll have to sign in/ register.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AirstreamList/
Tricia & Conrad
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Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at
Patterson's Point
What's the link to Hunter's Site?
Bobby
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:46:25 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
The man that Hunter took over from was Ewan McDonnel. Following is a copy
of an e-mail from Hunter back in 2000:
- -Tom
a.. To: airstream@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
b.. Subject: Re: List history (was-Re: [a/s] more list, please!)
c.. From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxx
d.. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:17:22 EDT
e.. Reply-To: airstream@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
f.. Sender: owner-airstream@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I dunno about Utah. What I do know is that Ewan started this list, but
didn't have an Airstream. One day he wrote me, asked mif I was willing, and
and basically "gave" it to me... then the Vintage list people, who didn't
want all the "chatty" posts... started their own list... the Vintage List.
Many subscribers are on both.... the Vintage list is heavier into
restorations. Obviously they aren't interested in the new trailer stuff...
and the people with new trailers aren't into restoring old ones... so two
lists makes perfect sense.
Now.... the Vintage list actually owns both lists.....
Ewan is still onboard, but as the webmaster only. I just wrote him last
week
with a situation that I couldn't fix for a subscriber and he took care of
it... so we are occasionally in touch.
If anyone is interested... there is no competition between the lists.... the
people who own the Vintage list and I are friends... always have been.
Hopefully always will be. They actually let this list continue because of
our friendship...
So, that's all I know.
Hunter
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From: "Tricia & Conrad Holsomback" <triconholsomback@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's
Point
> We were on both lists when Hunter took over from the fellow who owned
> the list (can't remember or pronounce his name, began with an "E").
> Why don't you all just ask Hunter how she came about running it?
>
> Tricia & Conrad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Jim Greene
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:52 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at
> Patterson's Point
>
> Tuna, my understanding is the other way around. I thought the vintage
> group
> started first and Hunter started her group to discuss topics unrelated
> to
> vintage AS. Any body know for sure?
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at
> Patterson's
> Point
>
>
> > I think Hunter's Airstream List was the original one, and the Vintage
> List
> > split off to focus more on issues of restoration and renovation -
> Hunter's
> > list is more focused on trailering, tow-vehicles, etc... when the
> topic of
> > 'traveling with pets' began generating a whole lot of threads on the
> A/S
> > list, she opened an "RV Pets' group, as well... Her 'Airstream List'
> is
> very
> > friendly and welcomes 'other brand' aluminum trailers, like Spartan,
> Silver
> > Streak, Streamline, and Avion...
> >
> > tuna
> > reno, nv
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:50:54 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
We do that in WI with only one shoe and one sock and still don't
complain.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
Jo Ann
p.s. We also walked 10 miles to school, up hill both ways.
How'd you do that?
Michelle
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:58:26 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Vintage towing a vintage
Hello,
I can't wait to match up with you guys with my 75 IH Travelall and 59
Traveler ( if I don't make any more restoration mistakes that takes me a
week to fix!) in MI. Yellow and polished silver, cool......
Ed
4425 WBCCI/VAC
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler (I'm still working on it through the WI Winter)
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To: AirstreamList@xxxxxxxxxx.com; valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Vintage towing a vintage
on 01/10/04 6:51 PM, Kevin wrote:
> I am just waiting to see what kind of reaction that I get this summer
> when I am traveling to the International Rally in Lansing, Michigan.
> My '75 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible will be making its first extended
> trip towing my '78 Argosy Minuet - - with both the Argosy and Cadillac
> being more than 25 years old I am suspcious that more than a few
> eyebrows may be raised.
>
Hi Kevin,
I'll wager the reaction you receive will be positive and will draw
admiring looks. In my opinion, there is increasing enthusiasm among the
general public for restored Airstreams and tow vehicles.
Last year's International had more than 50 Vintage Airstreams attending
and many of us used vintage tow vehicles. Your combiniation will be
right in style.
Kevin, you and I haven't seen each other for awhile so I haven't told
you about my experience at last year's International. Our1967 Airstream
Safari 22' won a blue ribbon for "Best in Class1960s Decade" and a white
ribbon for "Shiniest Trailer." That was a surprise.
We brought the Safari to Burlingtion with our restored 1975 Mercury
Station Wagon and with our 17' aluminum canoe (mirror shined, too) on
the roof. This particular combination is old hat for us after years of
use as ordinary family camping equipment. June 2003 was the first time
all three were in pristine condition simultaneously and ready for the
Concours D'Elegance at the International in Vermont.
Later that Fall and from another perspective, we took our '67 Airstream
to the Tin Can Tourist Rally at Milford, Michigan. By comparison, it was
one of the newer RVs at the rally. While driving around town, we noticed
dozens of restored Detroit iron horses. They were everywhere as one
might expect in a car manufacturing community.
Kevin, I'm sure your Cadillac and Minuet will be right at home during
this year's International in Michigan. What you and I have done, others
have done and are doing today in barns and garages this Winter. "Package
restorations" (my phrase) are becoming more commonplace all the time,
even at our local car show in our hometown (near VT and MA borders).
The biggest satisfaction for us with our three restorations was their
actual accomplishment last Spring. They had consumed enormous amounts of
time and a few bucks for many years. We finally had closure. Maintaining
and improving them (my list is already started) during upcoming years
will be far simpler.
In the Spring of 2004, we can begin working on our "slightly rare" 1963
22' Flying Cloud. Or, as that old saying goes, arriving at one goal is
the starting point to another. I'm hoping to finish this one before
finding another to "spruce up."
Good luck at International,
Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:08:08 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #128 - 50A, 30A power
Sometimes the 30 amp and the 20 amp receptacles on a pedestal will have
been wired to opposite sides of the 240 volt supply so that an adapter
for the 240 volt plug that supplies one side from each can result in
supplying 240 volts at 20 amps to the camper. Sometimes one needs to run
to a separate pedestal for the other phase.
A simpler adapter would connect both sides of the 240 volt plug to the
hot side of the 30 amp receptacle. Then all 120 volt appliances and
loads would work but no 240 volt appliances. My vintage standby
generator has only 120 volts on its output and that is how I run this
house from the generator. Its wired that way. I could add an
autotransformer, but frankly, when I'm running on the generator, I don't
want to power the 240 equipment, the generator isn't big enough to do
them well and I can wait for nicer weather to dry a load of clothes or
have a hot bath. The gas furnace an the microwave only need 120 volts as
does the water pump.
Gerald J.
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