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VAL Digest         Wednesday, January 14 2004         Volume 01 : Number 127




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Topics in Today's Digest:

Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
[VAL] Re: awning question (ZIP DEE) Digest #126
Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at  Patterson's Point
Re: [VAL] Re: awning question (ZIP DEE) Digest #126
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
[VAL] Jim Smith's posting about his upbringing
[VAL] Vintage towing a vintage
[VAL] Grounded to Frame, GFI's and Hypothetical Scenarios
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
[VAL] Pearl Main
[VAL] let's get back on track! moderation.
Re: [VAL] Pearl Main
Re: [VAL] Pearl Main
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125
Re: [VAL] Dexter Axle
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:18:39 -0800
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point

> At the following page: http://www.tompatterson.com/Trailers/Trailers2.html
> titled Tom's Airstream Trailer Section I first see a picture of a 1949
Rutger
> Hauer trailer, Is that an Airstream product? If not don't you think that
is a
> confusing place to display that picture?
>

Rutger Hauer is an actor - the trailer is an Airstream that he owns/owned.
There are a bunch of Hollywood types who own or have owned tricked-out
vintage Airstreams which were re-habbed and remodeled at great expense.

I think Hunter's Airstream List was the original one, and the Vintage List
split off  to focus more on issues of restoration and renovation - Hunter's
list is more focused on trailering, tow-vehicles, etc... when the topic of
'traveling with pets' began generating a whole lot of threads on the A/S
list, she opened an "RV Pets' group, as well... Her 'Airstream List' is very
friendly and welcomes 'other brand' aluminum trailers, like Spartan, Silver
Streak, Streamline, and Avion...

tuna
reno, nv

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:59:18 +0900
From: Jeffrey Fryckman <fryckman@xxxxxxxxxx.att.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, at 05:18 PM, michelle wrote:

> p.s. We also walked 10 miles to school, up hill both ways.
>
> How'd you do that?
> Michelle

That's the thing about trailer life.  You can move your home!  Just 
kidding and couldn't resist.

On topic, though(?), I received a hand crank washing machine for Xmas.  
My family and friends have been scoping out garage sales, etc. for 
vintage camping gear for my trailer.  This little bugger is stainless (I 
think) and has a stand/legs.  You put in one shirt? and crank it.  It 
pivots on the stand like a bingo machine, and voila!

Anyone hae anything similar and know about soap/capacity/etc?

Jeff

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:18:46 -0600
From: "James C. Funderburg, MD, FACS" <funderbj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

> p.s. We also walked 10 miles to school, up hill both ways.

    ...and in the winter, since you had no shoes, you walked in the pasture
jumping from one fresh cow pile in the next, to keep your feet from
freezing?

JimF - a pilgrim still       <*}}}><
Waterproof, Louisiana
"Preserve game, use a trained dog."

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:24:27 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point

Well, lets see what all I remember.............

- ---Tuna and Dick have answered some of your questions.

- ---Discussion list and E-mail  list are the same thing.

- ---I see I have a couple of broken links on the RV Message Board, and will
go back and fix them.  The messages are somewhere on the site though, and
they do turn up on searches.

- ---Everything you see under the "VAC E-Mail List Postings" link has to do
with messages from when the current Vintage Airstream List was sponsored by
the VAC.  This includes the link to "Postings From the Vintage Airstream
Club Discussion List". that you have questioned.  Nothing under this section
has anything to do with Hunter's list.

- ---Everything you see under the "Airstream List Postings" has to do with
what is now Hunter's list.  It was the first e-mail list in existence which
dealt with Airstream trailers, and if you look at the names of those who did
the postings back in 1999, you will recognise some of the current members of
this list.  What you refer to as Hunter's board is, stictly speaking, not a
board, but rather an e-mail list.  Her messages are archived on Yahoo, and
can be viewed there.  I also archive most of these messages, and have done
so since way before it ever moved to Yahoo.  The ones I archive are edited
primarily to remove extranious verbage.  They, together with the messages
from the VAC e-mail list, and the current Vintage List are all on my site,
and thus are ALL included in the site database and available as information
when you do a search on my site.

- ---The black, silver, & blue round logo to which you refer was developed, as
I remember, by Jim Weston who at that time was a member of the list.  It was
proposed that all list members could place it on their trailers so as to be
able to recognize each other.  We were a pretty gung-ho bunch back then.

- ---The link to the prior month files is:
http://www.tompatterson.com/AirstreamList/PriorMonths/list.html.  It did
vanish from the main listing by date page, but is back now.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

- -Tom

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hex-n-tex@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "POST New VAClist" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:06 AM
Subject: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at Patterson's Point


> Tom I'm thouroughly confused. but that's par for my course so don't take
this
> to be critical of your work in any way, please.
>
> At the following page: http://www.tompatterson.com/Trailers/Trailers2.html
> titled Tom's Airstream Trailer Section I first see a picture of a 1949
Rutger
> Hauer trailer, Is that an Airstream product? If not don't you think that
is a
> confusing place to display that picture?
>
>
> Next puzzle to me is the link to "Postings From the Vintage Airstream Club
> Discussion List".
> Is this the forefather of the "VAC e-mail list" which is now reincarnated
as
> the "Val e-mail list"(this one)?
>
> I guess I don't know the difference between a "discussion list" and a
"e-mail
> list".
> Anyhow you mentioned back in Digest #122 that your site also had some
> archived posts from Hunter's list. I finally figured out that that is the
one
> above referred to as "Postings From the Vintage Airstream Club Discussion
> List".
>  I know she runs a list over on a Yahoo Group board that(I understood)
dealt
> with "non-vintage" Airstreams only.
> I have never visited her board over there and have even been advised that
I
> would not find it pertinant to the older Airstreams.
> So if the aforementioned "Vintage Airstream Club Discussion List" is
Hunter's
> (or perhaps was Hunter's), did she trade out of being a vintage owner?
and
> then abandon that list and start another "New" list?
> Was or is Hunter archived list affililiated with the official VAC?
> Is her now Yahoo list affiliated with or part of VAC? WBCCI?
> I guess I need to learn the history of Hunter and her list/s.
>
> I am further confused by the appearance of a black, silver, & blue round
logo
> for "ON LINE Airstream" including the www.airstream.net url (which of
course
> is the VAC site). This appears immediately after the link to Hunter's
> archives.
> Is this a current used logo and is there a brief story surrounding it?
> Is it Hunter's or VAC's or both or am I just too damm curious...?
>
> Finally Tom you posted also in #122 this:
> ~~~~QUOTE
> "Ok,  I set it up so anyone can get copies of the old archives.  Click on
the
> following link.  I will be placing a link to this page on the main archive
> page." END QUOTE~~~~
> For the life of me I can not find the link at either place. Please advise.
> Thanks.
>
> OK that is enough for tonite but I have a few other q's for later in the
week.
> {:-)
>
> BTW Tom I enjoyed perusing your site and looking at the Silver Streak
Travel
> Homes w/ porches. At 60-65 on the hiway could a guy keep a pipe lit out
there
> on the porch? Hope you still have yours and since I am in Houston alot of
the
> time now, maybe I'll get to see it in person some day. Took some pix just
> today of a Silver Streak TT parked at Traders Village in Jersey Village.
>
> As Wally might've said,.... "Better curious than dead"
>   ++ HeX ++
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:43:45 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

It wasn"t easy
JIM

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:07:32 +0000
From: hex-n-tex@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] Re: awning question (ZIP DEE) Digest #126

David,
Re: removing your Zip-Dee Awning.

 You might CONSIDER NOT REMOVING the CLOTH from the aluminum slot.

And until spring tension is removed...... 
~~>>>DO NOT REMOVE the square MAIN ARM BARS from the HEAD CASTING*<<<~~ or 
you may well need a hand surgeon at least and perhaps a seeing eye dog at 
worst. 
The tension must be removed with the awning pulled open and held by an 
assistant. And believe me you will need the leverage provided by the Main Arm 
Bar. To slowly rotate the spring undone (counterclockwise). The spring end of 
the tube should be to the rear end of the AWNING/coach.
  * HEAD CASTINGS are the flask shaped caps at each end-top of AWNING ROLL   
with "ZIP DEE" cast into them.
If you plan to replace the awning on another Airstream I would surely keep 
the whole unit including the Hinged CASE (some call an eyelid).
That would be expensive to replace. and vulnerable & costly to ship. 

I would however leave the riveted on AWNING RAIL as a plus to the next owner. 
Also as to not have to drill and refill the rivet holes.

the CLOTH is crimped into its channel in the lowest CASE/Eyelid SECTION and 
removing it is a bit of a pain and can lead to fatigueing the aluminum 
channel. It would I think be wiser to remove the lowest (nearest the CLOTH) 
CASE/eyelid section from the one above it.
 This is easy, just remove screws or Rivet head (before 1980) from each end 
of the CASE/eyelid section and slide them apart. Then set the awning section 
down and remove the remaining CASE/eyebrow sections 
(as a group) from the AWNING RAIL.
The highest section is called a FLEX KEY ASSEMBLY and slides into the AWNING 
RAIL. There should be a sheet metal screw about 2 inches in at each end of 
the FLEX KEY  holding it secure to the CASE/eyelid section below it. You will 
need help to slide the CASE/eyelid out of the AWNING RAIL channel. 
Then I would re-connect it to the section prior removed including the CLOTH 
awning for storage.Ready to be put on your next trailer with just the 
addition of a new AWNING RAIL.

I know that spring un-tensioning instructions are at ZIP DEE website and if 
you call and talk to Linda Johnson at the plant she will be very glad to walk 
you through it. 1-800-338-2378.

++HeX++

___________________________________________


on 1/12/04 5:53 PM, David Turner at jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:

> Hello:
> Question: I have a airstream that I am going to sell but I want to keep the
> Zip-Dee awning.How much trouble is it to remove?Is ther anything special 
that
> I need to be aware of? I see that the two bottom and top arm bracket holders
> will need to be removed,then do I slide the awning canvas toward the front 
or
> back off the awning rail?
> Thanks for any good advise.
> David Turner
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:20:43 -0700
>From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>Subject: Re: [VAL] awning question

>David - I removed one from a '66 Overlander and it ended up being >easier
>than I ever thought. A word of caution, though! The rear arm was >under load
>and could very well take your head off if you're not careful. I'm not >sure
>that on every Zip Dee its the trailing arm either. Be very careful >when you
>are releasing the roll-up tension. Don't do this by yourself. Four >hands are
>better than two.>

>I contacted Zip Dee directly and asked them for advise. They sent me
>directions for removing the awning. Unlike other RV awning >manufacturers,
>Zip Dee only has the tension spring attached to just the one end. >This
>allows you to make a longer awning fit a shorter trailer.

>Brad Norgaard
>Phoenix
>'59 Trade Wind Twin
>VAC #2699, TCT 
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:16:15 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Archival Curiosities / Been surfin over at  Patterson's Point

Forgot to address the Travel Home.

Actually, it is a Streamline Travel Home, not a Silver Streak.  It is one of
about 80 that were made from 1964 up through 1967, when the motorhome division
was sold to L.K. Newell.  Newell continued to produce motorhomes under his
name, and they are still made today in Miami, Oklahoma.  They are one of the
real high dollar coaches.  Take a look at http://www.newellcoach.com and you
will see what I mean.

Restoration on my unit continues, and it is getting some use now.  I just
acquired a 1965 Mustang for a tow car, so it will be vintage all the way.

- -Tom

>
> BTW Tom I enjoyed perusing your site and looking at the Silver Streak
Travel
> Homes w/ porches. At 60-65 on the hiway could a guy keep a pipe lit out
there
> on the porch? Hope you still have yours and since I am in Houston alot of
the
> time now, maybe I'll get to see it in person some day. Took some pix just
> today of a Silver Streak TT parked at Traders Village in Jersey Village.
>
> As Wally might've said,.... "Better curious than dead"
>   ++ HeX ++

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:28:33 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: awning question (ZIP DEE) Digest #126

Gee, hex-n-tex, I hope you're keyboard isn't broken. All those caps.

Roger

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:34:38 -0600
From: John Anderson <janderson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

Wow, Joanne! When I was a kid our family didn't have fire yet......but 
it didn't matter for washing clothes; the goat skins we all wore back 
then had to be dry cleaned anyway............(you know the saying, first 
liar doesn't stand a chance around here).

Back to more modern issues--has anyone used one of the combo 
washer/dryer units for RV's that I see advertised? Are they effective, 
are they water and energy efficient, etc?

John



Joann Wheatley wrote:

> Jim - you had a wood stove!! Boy, you guys were up town. We boiled 
> water outside over a wood fire in a big black kettle and stirred the 
> clothes with a big wood paddle then hauled them out one piece at a 
> time and wrung them out by hand and threw them over bushes to dry. The 
> idea that a person would change clothes every day never entered our 
> minds.
> Jo Ann
> p.s. We also walked 10 miles to school, up hill both ways.
> On 12, Jan 2004, at 9:29 AM, JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>
>> Mary
>> I grew up on a little hard scrable farm in MO. during the depression. 
>> we had
>> no elect no running water ans an outhouse about 75 ft down wind of 
>> the house.
>> we had a hand powered washing machine with a wooden tub in which we 
>> had to
>> keep water so the tub would not dry out and leak . wash day was all 
>> that it took
>> all day . water had to be heated over a wood stove and than carried 
>> to the
>> washer. the1at load was the white goods followed by the colored 
>> cloths and
>> finally the farm work clothes. by that time thewater was really dirty 
>> but that was
>> the way it was . we had a hand powerer wrinfer and used 2 tubs for 
>> rense.. the
>> soap was homemade from lye and rancid lard old bacon fat and 
>> whateaver animal
>> fat we had.worked realy well would disolive your fingernails.
>> we used in total about as much water in total as 1 load takes with an
>> automatic washer. the old dirty water was than carried eather to the 
>> flower garden or
>> the family garden to be used as fertliser.
>> we didn"t call it recycling but servial
>> The times have chainged much for the better but on the way we have 
>> mostly
>> forgotten how to love our neighbor
>> Jim Smith
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:24:45 -0800
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

> Wow, Joanne! When I was a kid our family didn't have fire yet......but
> it didn't matter for washing clothes; the goat skins we all wore back
> then had to be dry cleaned anyway............(you know the saying, first
> liar doesn't stand a chance around here).

Quite a few people seem to be making fun of Jim Smith's posting about his
upbringing. Anyone stop to think how true this may have been for him along
with countless others who grew up during the depression. My parents were
very lucky at that time however they did make sure I knew that a great many
were not so fortunate. It's nice to see that after all that which we call
"hardship" today Jim still came out of it with a will to "love thy
neighbor".
Sorry for the preaching, just needed to say it.
Colin Hyde
PS For me, anything more than one days worth of laundry on the road, I go to
the Laundromat.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:52:46 -0600
From: "Buddy" <buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Jim Smith's posting about his upbringing

Lordy, I knew Jim wasn't joking. I spent my childhood using a mule's rear
end for a compass to plow and hauling water on a sled from the spring up to
the back of the house where I dipped it out of the barrel into the wash pot
where Momma put  the wash in to boil. I kept it stirred good in the lye
soap, picked the laundry out of the pot into the rinse, etc.  I think those
who yearn for the good old days probably didn't have as many of them as
others. oh well, interesting to reminisce about the Red River Bottoms.

Buddy Atwood

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:13:43 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Vintage towing a vintage

on 01/10/04 6:51 PM, Kevin wrote:

> I am just waiting to see what kind of reaction that I get this summer when I
> am traveling to the International Rally in Lansing, Michigan.  My '75 Cadillac
> Eldorado Convertible will be making its first extended trip towing my '78
> Argosy Minuet - - with both the Argosy and Cadillac being more than 25 years
> old I am suspcious that more than a few eyebrows may be raised.
> 
Hi Kevin,

I'll wager the reaction you receive will be positive and will draw admiring
looks. In my opinion, there is increasing enthusiasm among the general
public for restored Airstreams and tow vehicles.

Last year's International had more than 50 Vintage Airstreams attending and
many of us used vintage tow vehicles. Your combiniation will be right in
style.

Kevin, you and I haven't seen each other for awhile so I haven't told you
about my experience at last year's International. Our1967 Airstream Safari
22' won a blue ribbon for "Best in Class1960s Decade" and a white ribbon for
"Shiniest Trailer." That was a surprise.

We brought the Safari to Burlingtion with our restored 1975 Mercury Station
Wagon and with our 17' aluminum canoe (mirror shined, too) on the roof.
This particular combination is old hat for us after years of use as ordinary
family camping equipment. June 2003 was the first time all three were in
pristine condition simultaneously and ready for the Concours D'Elegance at
the International in Vermont.

Later that Fall and from another perspective, we took our '67 Airstream to
the Tin Can Tourist Rally at Milford, Michigan. By comparison, it was one of
the newer RVs at the rally. While driving around town, we noticed dozens of
restored Detroit iron horses. They were everywhere as one might expect in a
car manufacturing community.

Kevin, I'm sure your Cadillac and Minuet will be right at home during this
year's International in Michigan. What you and I have done, others have done
and are doing today in barns and garages this Winter. "Package restorations"
(my phrase) are becoming more commonplace all the time, even at our local
car show in our hometown (near VT and MA borders).

The biggest satisfaction for us with our three restorations was their actual
accomplishment last Spring. They had consumed enormous amounts of time and a
few bucks for many years. We finally had closure. Maintaining and improving
them (my list is already started) during upcoming years will be far simpler.

In the Spring of 2004, we can begin working on our "slightly rare" 1963 22'
Flying Cloud.  Or, as that old saying goes, arriving at one goal is the
starting point to another. I'm hoping to finish this one before finding
another to "spruce up."

Good luck at International,

Terry

mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:21:47 +0000
From: hex-n-tex@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] Grounded to Frame, GFI's and Hypothetical Scenarios

Dr.GJ wrote:

>In general since
>1950, three wire circuits (hot/neutral/safety ground) are the norm >with
>neutral and ground isolated. The modern code calls for more outlets 
>(and hardly any place ever has too many), ~~SNIP~~ 

>The power inlet cable ground wire is attached to the ground bus in 
>the main panel, an that ground bus is attached to the trailer frame 
>and metal shell with a substantial conductor.

>Gerald J.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What is meant by "neutral and ground isolated" ...isolated from what? each 
other? hasn't that always been the correct way i.e isn't that the ONLY way to 
do it? Or is there some legit application where they touch?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hypothetical:
The trailer is correctly wired with safety ground "circuit" going to the 
ground buss and that buss going to frame. Mama accidently drops her portable 
mixmaster (locked in the ON position) in a sink full of water. The mixmaster 
was plugged into a three prong circuit without any GFI receptacles.The 
mixmaster has a 3 wire plug. Junior is coming back from the pool and it has 
been raining, the soil around the trailer is soaked,Junior, barefoot, has 
stopped at door to say goodby to a friend and has one hand on the assist 
handle, one bare foot on the aluminum fold out step, and one bare foot on the 
wet soil. He is in this place at precisely the time Mama drops her mixmaster.

I assume the mixmaster shorts and a charge spikes back thru the "third rail 
safety ground circuit" to the frame...??? Right ???

Does Junior get a hotfoot or does he assume room temp?  Why?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There are only 2 or 3 circuits in our Airstreams. One or two should have a 
GFI anyway, so by just adding enough more to make the first recepticle of 
each circuit GFI'd (Ground Fault Interrupted) wouldn't we solve the grounding 
problem in all but the rarest of occurances? 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 BTW (and I suppose it is obvious) I admit freely to being kilowatt 
challenged.

++HeX++

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:09:12 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

Jim: I love it! I'll add that to my repertoire. Warm cow pies - that's 
great. Hey Jim - where is Waterproof, La??? I was born in New Orleans, 
grew up in Hammond, schooled in Baton Rough (go Tigers) but never 
Waterproofed.
Jo Ann
On 13, Jan 2004, at 6:18 AM, James C. , MD, FACS wrote:

>> p.s. We also walked 10 miles to school, up hill both ways.
>
>     ...and in the winter, since you had no shoes, you walked in the 
> pasture
> jumping from one fresh cow pile in the next, to keep your feet from
> freezing?
>
> JimF - a pilgrim still       <*}}}><
> Waterproof, Louisiana
> "Preserve game, use a trained dog."
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:40:42 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

John et al.:
    Do you remember the Richard Pryor's monologue along these lines when 
he said that they were so poor that they didn't have a momma! Just a 
lady that came in once a week or something goofy like that? I bet this 
bunch would be fun round the old camp fire. As to the washer/dryer 
thing, I figure when everything's dirty, it's time to send a big box 
home and go shopping.
JW
On 13, Jan 2004, at 9:34 AM, John Anderson wrote:

> Wow, Joanne! When I was a kid our family didn't have fire yet......but 
> it didn't matter for washing clothes; the goat skins we all wore back 
> then had to be dry cleaned anyway............(you know the saying, 
> first liar doesn't stand a chance around here).
>
> Back to more modern issues--has anyone used one of the combo 
> washer/dryer units for RV's that I see advertised? Are they effective, 
> are they water and energy efficient, etc?
>
> John
>
>
>
> Joann Wheatley wrote:
>
>> Jim - you had a wood stove!! Boy, you guys were up town. We boiled 
>> water outside over a wood fire in a big black kettle and stirred the 
>> clothes with a big wood paddle then hauled them out one piece at a 
>> time and wrung them out by hand and threw them over bushes to dry. 
>> The idea that a person would change clothes every day never entered 
>> our minds.
>> Jo Ann
>> p.s. We also walked 10 miles to school, up hill both ways.
>> On 12, Jan 2004, at 9:29 AM, JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>>
>>> Mary
>>> I grew up on a little hard scrable farm in MO. during the 
>>> depression. we had
>>> no elect no running water ans an outhouse about 75 ft down wind of 
>>> the house.
>>> we had a hand powered washing machine with a wooden tub in which we 
>>> had to
>>> keep water so the tub would not dry out and leak . wash day was all 
>>> that it took
>>> all day . water had to be heated over a wood stove and than carried 
>>> to the
>>> washer. the1at load was the white goods followed by the colored 
>>> cloths and
>>> finally the farm work clothes. by that time thewater was really 
>>> dirty but that was
>>> the way it was . we had a hand powerer wrinfer and used 2 tubs for 
>>> rense.. the
>>> soap was homemade from lye and rancid lard old bacon fat and 
>>> whateaver animal
>>> fat we had.worked realy well would disolive your fingernails.
>>> we used in total about as much water in total as 1 load takes with an
>>> automatic washer. the old dirty water was than carried eather to the 
>>> flower garden or
>>> the family garden to be used as fertliser.
>>> we didn"t call it recycling but servial
>>> The times have chainged much for the better but on the way we have 
>>> mostly
>>> forgotten how to love our neighbor
>>> Jim Smith
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:43:35 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

Well dang Colin, nobody's hitting on Jim's upbringing - it's meant in 
the spirit of good fun. As a matter of fact, everyone has his or her 
own story from childhood and I think that given a lot a love and enough 
food to live on, most of us grew up just fine.
Jo Ann
On 13, Jan 2004, at 1:24 PM, chyde wrote:

>> Wow, Joanne! When I was a kid our family didn't have fire yet......but
>> it didn't matter for washing clothes; the goat skins we all wore back
>> then had to be dry cleaned anyway............(you know the saying, 
>> first
>> liar doesn't stand a chance around here).
>
> Quite a few people seem to be making fun of Jim Smith's posting about 
> his
> upbringing. Anyone stop to think how true this may have been for him 
> along
> with countless others who grew up during the depression. My parents 
> were
> very lucky at that time however they did make sure I knew that a great 
> many
> were not so fortunate. It's nice to see that after all that which we 
> call
> "hardship" today Jim still came out of it with a will to "love thy
> neighbor".
> Sorry for the preaching, just needed to say it.
> Colin Hyde
> PS For me, anything more than one days worth of laundry on the road, I 
> go to
> the Laundromat.
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:50:49 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Pearl Main

Pearl has asked me to remove her from the Vintage Airstream List, as she has
sold her trailer and van about a week ago.  She says that she does plan on
maintaining her W.B.C.C.I. membership, and may even make it out to an
International.

For your information, here is a copy of the last message she sent to me.  I
am going to remove her from the list as she has requested, but thought that
some of you might like to say goodby.

- -Tom


hi    Tom:   since I no longer have a vintage and will not be doiing any
repair guess I will fade into the sunset.     My dughter from Illinois
is ariving Sunday and  she is tlking about my moving into a retirement
facility here there are lots of activities and would keep me busy.
Hd the trailer from 1964  which was a long time....keeping WBCCI
membership   some old friends still around.
Pearl

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:10:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] let's get back on track! moderation.

Hey all - a couple words on upbringing - If we all had
the same one, we wouldn't be able to offer each other
anything when we've got a question about restoring our
Airstreams.

let's get back on topic, okay?

Toby
VAL Moderator.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:29:54 -0800
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Pearl Main

Pearl - i wish you'd reconsider, and stay online with us. Your posts alway
light up my email inbox, and i'd be sorry to see you go....

tuna
reno, nv

p.s. if you let us know where we can reach you, we could swing by with the
'Trailwind' someday, when it gets done...




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From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:50 PM
Subject: [VAL] Pearl Main


> Pearl has asked me to remove her from the Vintage Airstream List, as she
has
> sold her trailer and van about a week ago.  She says that she does plan on
> maintaining her W.B.C.C.I. membership, and may even make it out to an
> International.
>
> For your information, here is a copy of the last message she sent to me.
I
> am going to remove her from the list as she has requested, but thought
that
> some of you might like to say goodby.
>
> -Tom
>
>
> hi    Tom:   since I no longer have a vintage and will not be doiing any
> repair guess I will fade into the sunset.     My dughter from Illinois
> is ariving Sunday and  she is tlking about my moving into a retirement
> facility here there are lots of activities and would keep me busy.
> Hd the trailer from 1964  which was a long time....keeping WBCCI
> membership   some old friends still around.
> Pearl
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:55:02 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Pearl Main

Pearl:
   Consider staying tuned in to the list if you can. I can't imagine 
having enough vets around to keep us between the white lines. Do you 
think there'll be computer facilities at your new digs? I've enjoyed 
your comments and would be happy to see them keep coming.
Jo Ann Wheatley 

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:56:50 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

Jim Smith took no offence at any of the remarks and knew in which they were 
offered in fact they helped make my day. wount it be fun if some day a bunch of 
us old farts could get togeather around a camp fire and talk about those 
bygon days and have some one wia cam corder record the conversation? It might give 
the younger generations a better ida from whince they came.
Jim Smith

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:14:42 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

John
The washer dryer unit your talking about will only work ok for a very small
load.
You can't wash/dry a load like you could at home.
Most people I've seen/know who have them say they can only wash/dry one pair
of jeans at a time.
Shirts and socks you can have a few extras in one load, but not jeans, too
heavy of a load on them.

Bobby
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  Back to more modern issues--has anyone used one of the combo
  washer/dryer units for RV's that I see advertised? Are they effective,
  are they water and energy efficient, etc?

  John

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:33:52 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dexter Axle

Joy

I haven't changed an axle on a TT, but I have built a homemade utility trailer
and axle placement is critical to weight distribution and handling. I'm not
sure if an inch will make much difference but I'm sure you will want to get it
as close to perfect as possible, but of course you strive for perfection.
In my case with the utility trailer I was off several inches and at high
speeds it would get a little squirrelly.
I thought it wasn't exactly straight or my load wasn't balanced well enough. I
called a local place that builds trailers and asked them and they said that
they use a chart with axle positions already calculated according to the
length of the trailer. I told them the length of mine and they gave me the
measurement I needed for proper placement. With the info they provided I
repositioned my axle a few inches and the trailer tows great now, even at
interstate speeds load or no load.
Maybe you can contact one and ask about the position and see what tolerance
plus/minus would be suitable for your application. I bet Dexter may even have
that info. May be a question worth asking.

Take care
Bobby
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  Subject: Re: [VAL] Dexter Axle


  Hi Dr. G. J.,

    I'm sure I'll only have to
  drill one mounting hole to place the axle in an identical location with the
  stock Henchen.  I doubt that an inch in either direction would be
  catastrophic regarding weight distribution and handling.
                                                        Regards, '69 Safari,
  Joy

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:41:06 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125

Jim

I'm only 41 and can still remember the trips to the outhouse.
And 3-4 using the same tub of water to bath. Water usually got changed before
the girls turn.
Most people I work with now days don't believe none of it.
Guess they weren't cultured enough.

Bobby
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #125


  Jim Smith took no offence at any of the remarks and knew in which they were
  offered in fact they helped make my day. wount it be fun if some day a bunch
of
  us old farts could get togeather around a camp fire and talk about those
  bygon days and have some one wia cam corder record the conversation? It
might give
  the younger generations a better ida from whince they came.
  Jim Smith

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