VAL Digest V1 #125

VAL Digest          Monday, January 12 2004          Volume 01 : Number 125




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Topics in Today's Digest:

Re: [VAL] Bucket Washing Machine
[VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff
Re: [VAL] Bucket Washing Machine
Re: [VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - Dolly trailer?
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - LP pipes underneath?
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - 2 AC generators in parallel??
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - Refrigerator venting
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - 2 AC generators in parallel??
Re: [VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff
Re: [VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - 2 AC generators in  parallel??
Re: [VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff
[VAL] National parks - size limits? etc.
[VAL] Re: Gas lines under the '66.
[VAL] RE: Bucket Washing Machine
[VAL] screensaver?
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #120 - Ref. venting
Re: [VAL] screensaver?
[VAL] Rib bones connected to the OZONE (in 1956 anyway)/Working On Roof
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - 2 AC generators in parallel??
[VAL] Built in Vacuum (You Didn't Know You Had)  Theory
[VAL] I need a Gaucho
Re: [VAL] Built in Vacuum (You Didn't Know You Had)  Theory

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:27:24 -0500
From: Bob Patterson <bpatt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bucket Washing Machine

Here's Lehman's Hardware "posser":

http://tinyurl.com/22d3k

Bob P.



>The funnel shaped washing machine object is called a "posser" - they were
>made in different designs similar to the agitator in your automatic washer
>and did the same job.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:59:35 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff

I just received my 2004 Trailer Life directory, and then attempted to use
their online directory service.  To get any detailed information you have to
pay an additional fee.

What a crock!  I'd like to be able to plan my route to A/S Rallies online,
and update while on the road.  All this should be bundled in the Directory
fee.

Just venting.  I've already e-mailed them a zinger, and a request that they
not contact me for a renewal.

Roger

Roger Hightower
WBCCI #4165,VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:09:24 -0600
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bucket Washing Machine

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:27:24 -0500, Bob Patterson <bpatt@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:

>Here's Lehman's Hardware "posser":
>
>http://tinyurl.com/22d3k
>
>Bob P.

thanks, I have retired mine to its vintage state and have ordered one to use on
my BLT stays, etc.
thank you again.  I tried all the keywords I could think of and that sucker
never came up...  oh, and thanks for using tinyurl.com!!!
hmmm
chas


>
>
>
>>The funnel shaped washing machine object is called a "posser" - they were
>>made in different designs similar to the agitator in your automatic washer
>>and did the same job.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:45:04 -0600
From: DL <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff

You must understand.... Good Sam is nothing more than an
Insurance company that came up with a camping club to
make it money.
It is all the Bottom Line with them.



73
Dean L    W5GXL
On Jan 11, 2004, at 10:59 AM, Roger Hightower wrote:

> I just received my 2004 Trailer Life directory, and then attempted to 
> use
> their online directory service.  To get any detailed information you 
> have to
> pay an additional fee.
>
> What a crock!  I'd like to be able to plan my route to A/S Rallies 
> online,
> and update while on the road.  All this should be bundled in the 
> Directory
> fee.
>
> Just venting.  I've already e-mailed them a zinger, and a request that 
> they
> not contact me for a renewal.
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Hightower
> WBCCI #4165,VAC
> 1975 31' Sovereign
> Mesa, AZ
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:10:16 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - Dolly trailer?

H'mmmm.....
Verrrry interesting idea.
If I hauled my trailer on a separate lowboy trailer, which trailer was
titled, registered and tagged, maybe I wouldn't have to pay the sales
taxes and several hundred $$ a year in registration taxes on the RV? It
would just be a load carried on the hauling trailer.
When I wasn't moving the travel trailer I'd have a good utility trailer,
and it would be along with me when I was traveling.
Al
> > 
> > You could always remove the tires and wheels so anyone would need to
raise the trailer and insert a big dolly to tow it away!  That would look
pretty obvious then that it was stolen.  Or, would that be today's
low-rider RV? ;)
> > 
> > Tom in NC

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:36:19 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - LP pipes underneath?

The LP pipes are always (on all units I have seen under) on the exterior
of any RV to points as close as possible to the appliance. Then the pipe
goes up through the belly skin and floor to the appliance.
LP (propane and butane) is not like natural gas (methane), which is
lighter than air and rises quickly if it leaks. LP is heavier than air
and will "puddle" in any low spots.
My travel trailer has black iron LP pipe underneath, then copper up to
the appliances.
Al

> > hello all,
> > i am still trying to learn all there is to my trailer and this forum
has been very helpful. a new question has come up. i have several copper
propane supply lines attached to the underside  of the aluminum belly
held to the skin by way of conduit clamps that then go up into the
trailer interior by way of holes drilled in the belly. is this normal ?
or has some PO done a butcher job on it. seems to me that AS would have
contained the lines between the floor and the underbelly skin but maybe
not. your help in appreciated
> >
> > harry truitt

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:25:20 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - 2 AC generators in parallel??

Tom, have you actually done this? How did you keep the two alternators in
phase?
Al

> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:00:39 -0500
> From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Achilles Heel of EU 2000 Generator?
> 
> Can you run your air conditioner with the EU 2000?
> Jim

> 
> no
> 
> you would need to run two units of 2kw each, or 4kw total to run your
airconditioners.  with these Honda generators though it is possible to
hook them up in series to produce 4kw.
> 
> Tom

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:58:29 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - Refrigerator venting

This may have been the case a long time ago. 
A long time ago RVs didn't have grey water tanks either - they dumped
onto the ground if there was no park sewer to drain into.
Today we consider that a faulty (or just antique) setup.

Used to be that the 115VAC neutral (white) wire was grounded to the RV
body/chassis/frame. The ground wire (if there was one) was likewise
connected to the RV chassis/body/frame. Today this is not allowed. The
115VAC must be totally isolated from the frame/chassis/body of the RV and
grounded only to the land power neutral and ground. The old way,
grounding to the RV frame/chassis/body could get you electrocuted if the
land power polarity was reversed (defective wiring setup). It also could
allow 115VAC to get into the 12VDC wiring system.

If there is an access door to the burner part of the LP refrigerator it
can have louvers formed into it or can be replaced with a louvered door.
If you don't want to alter the original appearance a vent can be cut in
the floor opening into the underbody space, which is unlikely to be
airtight.
If there is any space around the refrig. installation going into the
interior it should be closed off as airtightly as possible. The back of
the refrig. should be open to the outside.
Of course a LP refrig. will work with interior air. We used to have an
enormous Servel absorption refrigerator in our home kitchen. It had an
electric heater in place of a gas burner. It certainly wasn't vented to
the outside. If it had been a gas model not only the warm air off the
condenser but also the exhaust from the burner would have gone into the
kitchen. This was not unsafe in a house installation as no one slept in
the kitchen, and there was a lot more air for it to be diluted by. Our
entire trailer is smaller than the kitchen in the house.
Al

> 
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:39:35 -0500
> From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #120 - Ref. venting
> 
> Al, I beg to differ. The original gas refrig in my '60 drew air from
the interior of the trailer from a vent just below the refrig door. Not
the best of designs, I agree, but it is the way it was done back then. Of
course if you are talking about a modern refrigerator you are correct, it
draws from the outside.
> 
> Scott
> - ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> 
> > Propane refrigerators draw their cooling air from the outside and
exhaust it to the outside. If one is installed so that it draws from the
interior it is a faulty installation.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:58:49 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - 2 AC generators in parallel??

Honda offers a connector that does this for you. Last I 
checked around $200.00.

Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC/WDCU 1270


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - 2 AC generators in parallel??


> Tom, have you actually done this? How did you keep the two alternators in
> phase?
> Al
> 
> > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:00:39 -0500
> > From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > Subject: Re: [VAL] Achilles Heel of EU 2000 Generator?
> > 
> > Can you run your air conditioner with the EU 2000?
> > Jim
> 
> > 
> > no
> > 
> > you would need to run two units of 2kw each, or 4kw total to run your
> airconditioners.  with these Honda generators though it is possible to
> hook them up in series to produce 4kw.
> > 
> > Tom
> 
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:19:07 -0500
From: Neal Warren <uncleneal@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff

Much the same arrangement as AARP.


> 
> You must understand.... Good Sam is nothing more than an
> Insurance company that came up with a camping club to
> make it money.
> It is all the Bottom Line with them.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:59:44 -0500
From: Blair <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff

Roger  - I use the Microsoft Streets and Trips for that function.  It shows 
all the camp grounds.

Most mapping software will.

Blair

Hangin in Lakeland
Because Time Fly's

At 11:59 AM 1/11/2004, you wrote:

>I just received my 2004 Trailer Life directory, and then attempted to use
>their online directory service.  To get any detailed information you have to
>pay an additional fee.
>
>What a crock!  I'd like to be able to plan my route to A/S Rallies online,
>and update while on the road.  All this should be bundled in the Directory
>fee.
>
>Just venting.  I've already e-mailed them a zinger, and a request that they
>not contact me for a renewal.
>
>Roger
>
>Roger Hightower
>WBCCI #4165,VAC
>1975 31' Sovereign
>Mesa, AZ
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:01:49 -0500
From: Blair <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - 2 AC generators in  parallel??

Al - I also use two Honda 2000's in parallel and they control themselves
as they were made specifically with that ability.

Blair

Hangin in Lakeland

Because Time Fly's

At 04:25 PM 1/10/2004, you wrote:

>Tom, have you actually done this? How did you keep the two alternators in
>phase?
>Al
>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:00:39 -0500
> > From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > Subject: Re: [VAL] Achilles Heel of EU 2000 Generator?
> >
> > Can you run your air conditioner with the EU 2000?
> > Jim
>
> >
> > no
> >
> > you would need to run two units of 2kw each, or 4kw total to run your
>airconditioners.  with these Honda generators though it is possible to
>hook them up in series to produce 4kw.
> >
> > Tom
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:48:27 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blair" <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Trailer Life/Good Sam ripoff


> Roger  - I use the Microsoft Streets and Trips for that function.  It
shows
> all the camp grounds.
>
> Most mapping software will.
>
> Blair
>
I have mapping software too, but it won't give you all the info you want
about a campground.  I'd like to know more about amenities, rates, hookups,
etc.  Mapping software won't do that.

Roger

Roger Hightower
WBCCI #4165,VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:35:08 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] National parks - size limits? etc.

> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:58:46 -0600
> From: Chris Koehn <timberguides@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: new year, new adventure
> 
> Happy Holidays,
> 
> In planning for our year's adventure in our '79 @ 31' International
> with our two young boys beginning next June, we hope to spend a fair
> bit of time in national parks. I am wondering if anyone can offer
> advice re: Airstreaming in national parks. Are they generally
> accommodating to bigger rigs? Should we be looking in to reservations?
> We have always tent camped until now.
> 

Hi Chris, 

We have spent a fair bit of time in national parks (115 of them so far) and
one thing I've learned is to ignore the posted size limits. Granted, I'm in
my element when it comes to doing the slow waltz of backing out from dead
ends, but I can count those occasions on the fingers of one hand.

The Airstream we use for visiting National Parks is the same size as yours.
My suggestion: Go for it and be adaptable as needed. When our kids were the
age of yours, they had fun figuring out unexpected problems - whether the
solutions were successful or not quite what we planned.  The lesson they
learned was to be decisive and deal with the circumstances in an upbeat way
without whining and complaining. I believe that was worthwhile.

As an aside, I carry the names and address of of all Airstream dealerships
in the USA.  Regardless of whether we're towing one of our Vintage
Airstreams or our more modern Airstream, service is a consideration.

As for reservations, I try to use common sense. Peak season - yes, otherwise
we go where we want to go, unless we're on the edge of peak season and want
to stay at one of the most popular parks. In that case, I call first and get
a line on our chances.

During peak season, we found lesser known national parks weren't crowded.
Playing it by ear with plenty of discussions taught valuable lessons
regardless of our children's ages. It was school vacation for them but
learning to deal with various variables for making decisions was always in
session.  

Obviously, reservations can be made by phone or internet. We use both but
only occasionally. A few experiences with National Park CGs and a couple of
faux pas experiences made for quick learning.

We've even arrived after hours and stayed in the parking lot until the next
morning. It helped us to have a laid back attitude and not be easily bent
out of shape by unexpected (or expected) inconveniences.  And yes, having
solar panels is a decided advantage if "winging-it" is comfortable for you
(being a tenter, that's probably the case).

As a general style, we decide the same day where we'll stay that night --
AND AT ALL TIMES, we have options three deep. Yes, we use Flying J and Pilot
truck stops when trying to make time and need a safe place before rolling
again, but there are literally hundreds of places to stay that are not
always called campgrounds, but which are safe and clean for overnight (or
longer). 

If you haven't picked up the computer disc (or printed copy) of "Day's End"
locations around the country from the Escapees RV Club (found in their
magazine column called "Days End"), I suggest you do that. It lists
thousands of places not published in any of the thick directories. This
should be on your New Year's Resolutions list of things to buy. Many of
these places can be found enroute to National Parks. We have contributed to
the list and have used the list extensively ourselves.

While at it, visit Camping World and buy ($20) the US Army Corps of
Engineers directory. There are 900+ campgrounds available to any citizen.
We've visited only a third of them but have found them among the finest and
most spacious campgrounds in the country.  We've found when there are
several in one geographic area, one of them is often primitive and free.

If you belong to a fraternity (Moose, Rotary, etc), keep your membership
current and use their camping priviledges.  For example, the Elks have
regional directories (Elkdom Guides). We stop at Elk Lodges all over the
country. There is immediate camaraderie and solid referrals for any unique
local services we may need, i.e. mechanical, health, money, etc..

Sorry about the delay in replying. For the last month and the next few
months, picking up email was/will be intermittent and reading it will be
even slower. As you can see from the date on your question, this reply is
from the December digest.  That means you've probably received answers to
your questions. If so, my apologies for the redundancy.

Currently, we're in New Orleans visiting our son, daughter-in-law and two
grand daughters. Have to keep our priorities straight.  Reading email is fun
but our grand children are delightful.

Our son is still flying for Uncle Sam (protecting POTUS) and loving his job.
Every time the New Orleans F-15s are scrambled, the roar of 30,000 pounds of
thrust tells us he'll be away from his desk. Sometimes we see him and a
co-worker leave and streak through the clouds (straight up) on their way to
an "unscheduled meeting" (with full armament).

Back to your question. I thought of another campground option you might
consider (someday). A few states (Louisiana is one) honor the Golden Age
Passport 50% discount (age 62+) at their campgrounds. In New Orleans (NOLA),
we're staying at Bayou Signette State Park CG for $6 a night with water and
30 amp electric - on a macadam site with picnic table, fire ring, a modern
laundry room nearby, showers, dump station, playground, trash pickup and the
usual security staff so common in southeastern states.  That's economical.

Fresh seafood right off the boat is sold daily outside the campground gate.
Today (01/11/04), I bought four and a half pounds of Jumbo Shrimp for $15.
The NOLA Aquarium and Zoo are among the most outstanding anywhere in the
country. NOLA Health services (West Jefferson Hospital) have been sampled by
us (bronchitis) and found to be exceptionally competent and efficient.  Our
New York Health Insurance cards work like a charm.

Daytime temperatures have ranged from the 60s to balmy70s. Night temps have
been in the 40s with occasional frost (30s) south of Lake Pontchartrain. For
all practical purposes, we think of NOLA Winter weather as a random
combination of early Spring and late Fall in Upstate New York.

Sugar Bowl weekend (football) just ended and the Louisiana State University
crowds (no vacancies anywhere) had a grand time. Their parties in the
campground had the place rocking. This week, King Cakes are the rage in
town. We needed a history lesson on them.

Next month, Marti Gras parades begin (13 February) with Marti Gras
officially beginning on 24 February (Fat Tuesday). As Northeasteners, we're
having a fine time in New Orleans. Cafe` Du Monde` (coffee and beignets) in
the French Quarter continue to be a favorite. Snowbirding is a tough life.

Terry
ADK-46R

mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net

"You only live once - but if you work it right, once is enough."
Joe E. Lewis

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:48:22 EST
From: RESORARCHITECT@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: Gas lines under the '66.

Dear Harry,
Ours is a '65 Trade Wind Twinn 24'. We have been working our way from front 
to back on the interior. Underneath is the exposed propane gas piping just as 
you described it on your rig. When I first saw it...I thought it might be a 
previous owners micky mouse installation but as we got furthur into the project 
we became better at seeing what was messed up by owners and what was the 
factory installation. We haven't decided whether or not to replace those lines. They 
seem to be ok where we have reconnected new applainces to them.
We did cut up and out all the original plumbing (copper) but have not 
replaced it yet. Has anyone relocated the water pump to the galley area? We think 
that will eliminate one of the lines to the back of the rig. We did remove the 
black water tank and cut and patched the top so the toilet base from the new 
Thetford Aquamatic 4 will line up exactly. Sonrise RV in Escondido, Ca made the 
patch out of fiberglass and installed a new soft rubber sleeve where the toilet 
drain will slip into it. I've devised a two piece wood "Box" to support the 
toilet and transfer all the weight to the rig floor and not to the tank. If 
anyone wants the full scale drawing of that "Box" let me know. Our rear 
compartment is shaping up very nicely with all new components and the new Vinyl 
"Parque" tiles. We even cleaned and painted the old battery tray and topped it with 
some of the "Parque" tile. We have a new Thetford dump valve but reused a much 
cleaned up plastic junction element where the grey and black water join. All 
new gaskets here should keep this area very sanitary in the future. 
Stuart.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:05:13 -0800
From: "Erica Haaseth" <eriboberi@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] RE: Bucket Washing Machine

>Subject: [VAL] Bucket Washing Machine
You folks are "die hards"!  I would have to see a laundermat at least once a 
week! ;-)
Erica
1966 Safari

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:17:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] screensaver?

Hi all - just got this email - anybody know where this
is?

Toby

=================================================

Hi,

In an Airstream Newsletter in Nov. or Dec. they
offered a site to 
download a
Screen Saver of 'Photo's of the Month.'

Unfortunately, I lost mine and don't know where to go
to get a copy.  
Any
ideas.

Apparently the webmaster at Airstream Company does not
answer his mail 
or
inquiries.

Cheers,
Russ
WBCCI #1012 


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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:25:34 -0500
From: "chyde" <brownhyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #120 - Ref. venting

> Propane refrigerators draw their cooling air from the outside and exhaust
> it to the outside. If one is installed so that it draws from the interior
> it is a faulty installation.
> Al

Al,
I went out and checked again for the fridge vent you were talking about
under the trailer. You were right, there is a vent screen located directly
under the fridge on my 63 Tradewind. However there is no lower vent or grill
in my 57 Sovereign of the Road or my 59 Ambassador. As Scott pointed out,
his 60 Overlander doesn't have lower exterior fridge vents either. I guess
Airstream or Dometic decided somewhere between 60 and 63 that the fridges
worked better with exterior air as  cooling. I think I'll add this feature
to my pre 60 trailers.
Colin

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:57:05 -0600
From: Herb Spies <spies@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] screensaver?

The Airstream Company web site has a Photo of the month section at

http://www.airstream.com/airstreamer/photo/photo.html

and a screen saver download section at

http://www.airstream.com/airstreamer/gallery/index.html

Toby Folwick wrote:

>Hi all - just got this email - anybody know where this
>is?
>
>Toby
>
>=================================================
>
>Hi,
>
>In an Airstream Newsletter in Nov. or Dec. they
>offered a site to 
>download a
>Screen Saver of 'Photo's of the Month.'
>
>Unfortunately, I lost mine and don't know where to go
>to get a copy.  
>Any
>ideas.
>
>Apparently the webmaster at Airstream Company does not
>answer his mail 
>or
>inquiries.
>
>Cheers,
>Russ
>WBCCI #1012 
>
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:12:40 +0000
From: hex-n-tex@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] Rib bones connected to the OZONE (in 1956 anyway)/Working On Roof

I found this facinating and scary posting while stumbling thru Tom's archive 
pages looking for something else.
Anyway I was surprised and wonder when Airstream changed this practice. (I 
trust they did ??) i.e. what model years do we need to worry about not 
trusting the rivet lines up top to stand on..?

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"Subject: [airstream] Working the roof 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 
From: Roy Lashway 

Forgot to mention on my comments of ladder useage wen getting to top of  
trailer. I recently removed some inside paneling on the '56 I"m  rebuilding 
and noted a interior structure system I was somewhat surprised  at. When you 
look at rivet lines on outside of trailer you tend to  think the skin is 
riveted to a series of structural ribs runing vertically and horizontally. 
Not exactly the case. I learned that the major structural ribs are mostly 
vertical and have rivets spaced about  an inch or less apart. You can note 
other rivet lines with rivets about 2 inches apart. These wide rivet patterns 
go into both vertical and horizontal bracing pieces that do not connect to an 
solid structual member. The serve as bridging across an expanse of aluminum 
skin just to give it some rigidety and not permit the skin to bend or flex to 
much. I found the inside skin is not riveted to these braces and have seen 
the inside skin with bracing of its own, at least around the vent area. You 
may have wondered, as I have in the past, why the outside side panels seem 
overly flexible when you push against them when they appear 
to riveted to a brace. There is only bridging behind the panel. 

The point of all this is to remind one to be careful when placing a ladder 
against or standing on a wide rivet line as there is not much strength there. 

Roy "

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:43:08 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #123 - 2 AC generators in parallel??

The Honda generators use a DC generator and an electronic inverter that
makes it easy to synchronize them.

And old timer (one mayor of Jamaica, Iowa) told me of trying to parallel
single phase alternators at an air field in England during WW2. He
didn't know about needing to match the phase angle, so he just set up
wiring to parallel them. He started the batch, then closed the switch to
parallel them. They all stopped, some turned over on their sides from
the abrupt stop, so phasing proved to be critical.

Gerald J.
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Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:47:13 +0000
From: hex-n-tex@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] Built in Vacuum (You Didn't Know You Had)  Theory

OK we have heard of the Rocks in The Bucket shakedown method of on the road 
Laundry. 
Now here is the On the road Vacuuming secret method Tip.

How bout some commentarty from some of you Implosion Engineers.  <g>

Again this I found over at Tom's archives.

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Subject: Re: [airstream] CLEANING 
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 
From: How8553911@xxxxxxxxxx.com 

One way to try and keep dust down and out of the interior of ones trailer is 
that when travelling, crack open the rear half of the rearmost vent cover 
while towing. By doing this the interior of the trailer has a positive 
pressure and will "force out" small minute openings because of the positive 
pressure. When a trailer is all closed up, it typically will actually pull a 
slight vacuum which means that dust and dirt particles are pulled into the 
trailers through minute openings. 

For most travelling this scenario is not apparent but when one travels a very 
dusty road then it becomes quite obvious. This is particularly true in the 
vintage units which have many more minute openings than newer ones. 

Just a thought........ 

Tom H. 
WBCCI # 6490 

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:59:42 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] I need a Gaucho

    All,

    As many of might know, I'm new to the list and have asked many questions
and gotten lots of great answers.  The time has come again to ask two more.

    1.  I need an entire Gaucho including curbside pull-out folding table
for my 1969 Caravel.  My forward interior was gutted and redone to suit the
previous owner and I want to return it to it's original state.  What I need
is everything needed to install and secure the above mentioned items.
Condition is not that important as I will rebuild it all anyway.  It can
even be wider than what my Caravel took, I can modify and shorten as
required.  

    Does anyone reading this have these items or know of someone you could
direct me to that does?

    2.  What is the distance from the curbside of the Gaucho to the inner
skin?  Put another way, how much room needs to be made for the folding table
to stow next to the Gaucho?

    Thanks,

    Glyn

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:45:44 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Built in Vacuum (You Didn't Know You Had)  Theory

I'd rather open the front edge of the roof vent to cause positive
pressure inside. I'd expect opening the aft edge would increase the
vacuum and pull more dust and dirt into the trailer.

Gerald J.
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