VAL Digest V1 #122

VAL Digest           Friday, January 9 2004           Volume 01 : Number 122




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] Tin Can Tourist Feb.
Re: [VAL] Achilles Heel of EU 2000 Generator?
Re: [VAL] RE: FAQ's
[VAL] Thanks Fred/acdc
[VAL] 1969+ Entry doors
Re: [VAL] Thanks Fred/acdc
Re: [VAL] Thanks Fred/acdc
Re: [VAL] Achilles Heel of EU 2000 Generator?
Re: [VAL] Thanks Fred/acdc
Re: [VAL] 1969+ Entry doors
[VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?
Re: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?
Re: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?
Re: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?
Re: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?
[VAL] Propane tank holder
Re: [VAL] Propane tank holder
Re: [VAL] Propane tank holder
RE: [VAL] Achilles Heel of EU 2000 Generator?

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:20:14 EST
From: Streamliner86@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Tin Can Tourist Feb.

Hello all ..The Tin Can Tourist ,vintage trailer club is having it's winter 
get together @ the "Fly Wheelers"" park near Ft.Mead Florida from Feb.26-29.All 
vintage trailers are welcome.For more info contact     
f23bone@xxxxxxxxxx.net.The park features antique tractors,tractor pulls,antique flea market and much 
more.The camping fee is just ten-bucks.Se ya there.
Phil Kaufman

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:19:02 -0800
From: "JimW" <jjw@ttc-cmc.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Achilles Heel of EU 2000 Generator?

I can't help but to post this:

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
Robert Frost
[Fire and Ice]


Thank you all for your ideas.  I will start running 89 octane, and check for
any resistance on that rope before I give it the big tug.  If I feel it
catch I will try warming it up.  The chance of conditions ever being the
same when I am using it are very unlikely.  I am leaning towards ice;  all
the windows on our vehicles where frozen shut that day, and there was frozen
condensate inside the camper shell on one of the pickups.

Again this is a fine generator, and the dealership was fast and friendly.
They offered no suggestions on the problem though.  This generator is not
only for the little Argosy, but backup for the house heating system.  Our
electric company is facing bankruptcy.  I know of at least one lightning
damaged pole that is in desperate need of replacement.

Thanks everyone,

Jim

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:26:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: FAQ's

Additionally, you can contact me offlist if you have
comments/additions/corrections for the VAC Site!

Toby Folwick
VAC Webmaster.

- --- RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> I wrote the FAQ's on the VAC website while I was
> webmaster from
> 2000-2003.  As I know how much work they entail to
> maintain and update,
> I moved them to my personal website last fall, and
> have updated them on
> a regular basis since then.  They can be found at:
> 
> http://vintageairstream.com/FAQ/FAQ_index.html
> 
> I don't think my old version on the VAC site has
> been updated in awhile.
> 
> Later,
> RJ
> VintageAirstream.com
> 
> >
> > Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 05:53:26 +0000
> > From: hex-n-tex@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> > Subject: [none]
> >
> > Regarding the FAQ page at the VAC site:
> >
> > www.airstream.net/FAQ/FAQ_index.html
> >
> > Very helpful and interesting stuff, Where did it
> come from? i.e. is a
> > compilation of recieved posts or did one person or
> committee
> > put it together
> > etc?
> >
> > How long since it has been reviewed or added to
> and who to
> > contact about
> > possible errors?
> >
> > I was directed there by a link from another forum.
> When I
> > later tried to find
> > it I could not. finally found the original link
> and got back in.
> > Is it in a part of the VAC site that is private
> for members
> > only? Maybe I
> > just didn't see a link on the VaC pages that I can
> access??
> 
>
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:02:58 -0500
From: Gary <verygary@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Thanks Fred/acdc

Thanks Fred,
I remember seeing 'Managing Twelve Volts' listed for sale somewhere
recently and will look again and pick up a copy. I think I may have to
read it many more times then that to have it sink in and relating to the
best application for my needs. I have not actually used the trailer in
the real world as of yet, but my fantasized vision of it's capabilities
include the ability of the Safari to be able to boondock anywhere and
everywhere and of course plug in at the campground for that occasional
vintage get together.. This is one of the things that confuses me though
about converting from 120 volts to 12 volts. Is it that the furnace and
roof vent fan and the water pump can only run on 12 volts or do they
always rely on the battery? Do they have to be rewired to the converter?
On the inverter side, this sounds like the battery power is now
"increased" to 120 volts to run household type appliances like tv's (for
bad news) and blenders (for margaritas). This sounds interesting as long
as the battery is strong enough. I suppose the final back up would be a
small generator. I did try to understand to differences in converters
and inverters by reading the descriptions of the products on different
rv supply catalogs and web sites. No comprenday. I am sure with the help
of this book and the fact that it is the next item on the list to tackle
I will start to get a clearer picture. Thanks for the lead.
Gary Campbell
62' Safari
Portland, Maine

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:16:04 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] 1969+ Entry doors

If interested, contact the gentleman directly.
RJ
 
 ------ Forwarded Message
From: JLRSL600@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:31:23 EST
To: feedback@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Entry doors

I have a pair of  Airstream entry doors w/ screens, they are in good
shape.   They fit  19 69 and up. If interested,  I  am at 
rmarkrose@xxxxxxxxxx.net       Will take $500 ea.

- ------ End of Forwarded Message

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:22:46 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Thanks Fred/acdc

Gary:

  In 1962, most Airstreams had two separate electrical
circuits, one 12 volts d.c. and the other 120 volts a.c.  
Some appliances, like the exhaust fan, had two switches, one
to operate it from the 12 volt battery and another to
operate it from the 120 volt a.c. side, likely via a
transformer to 18 volts a.c.   Your light fixtures should
also be dual voltage.

    Your original water system likely had an air compressor
(to fill the storage tank with air and thus move the water)
instead of a water pump per se, but the air compressor also
may have run on both 12 vdc and 18 vac.  The air compressor
may have been replaced by a water pump during the last 41
years.  On a warm day, poke around you trailer a bit and see
what is there now and enjoy the bonding.  :) 

Fred 

  

Gary wrote:
> 
> Thanks Fred,
> I remember seeing 'Managing Twelve Volts' listed for sale somewhere
> recently and will look again and pick up a copy. I think I may have to
> read it many more times then that to have it sink in and relating to the
> best application for my needs. I have not actually used the trailer in
> the real world as of yet, but my fantasized vision of it's capabilities
> include the ability of the Safari to be able to boondock anywhere and
> everywhere and of course plug in at the campground for that occasional
> vintage get together.. This is one of the things that confuses me though
> about converting from 120 volts to 12 volts. Is it that the furnace and
> roof vent fan and the water pump can only run on 12 volts or do they
> always rely on the battery? Do they have to be rewired to the converter?
> On the inverter side, this sounds like the battery power is now
> "increased" to 120 volts to run household type appliances like tv's (for
> bad news) and blenders (for margaritas). This sounds interesting as long
> as the battery is strong enough. I suppose the final back up would be a
> small generator. I did try to understand to differences in converters
> and inverters by reading the descriptions of the products on different
> rv supply catalogs and web sites. No comprenday. I am sure with the help
> of this book and the fact that it is the next item on the list to tackle
> I will start to get a clearer picture. Thanks for the lead.
> Gary Campbell
> 62' Safari
> Portland, Maine
> 
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:24:25 -0600
From: Dean <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Thanks Fred/acdc

73 W5GXL
Dean

On Jan 8, 2004, at 11:02 AM, Gary wrote:

. This is one of the things that confuses me though
about converting from 120 volts to 12 volts. Is it that the furnace and
roof vent fan and the water pump can only run on 12 volts or do they
always rely on the battery?

Think of it this way:
They all run off the Battery.   All the converter is for is to keep the
battery charged up.
  Call it a Battery Charger,  is that simpler?

  Do they have to be rewired to the converter?
NO

On the inverter side, this sounds like the battery power is now
"increased" to 120 volts to run household type appliances like tv's (for
bad news) and blenders (for margaritas). This sounds interesting as long
as the battery is strong enough.
This will take your battery down FAST.

  I suppose the final back up would be a
small generator.
YES,  a small Honda portable 650 to 1000 watts works well.

Gary Campbell

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:56:55 -0500
From: "Myrna Warren" <uncleneal@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Achilles Heel of EU 2000 Generator?

Actually, gasoline burns with a hotter flame than alcohol.  Back in the 60's
when Ford went to Indy there was a great controversy among the Offy drivers
because the Fords ran on gasoline instead of alcohol like the Offys did.
They were concerned that in a crash the hotter burning gasoline would be
more dangerous to the drivers.
Neal

> The lowest grade 87 Octane gasoline has a higher amount of methanol (or is
> it ethanol?) and that is an extremely hot burning fuel.  But, just because
> it burns hotter does *not* mean it burns better OR that your engine will
> live longer.  Quite the opposite is really the truth.
>
> Unleaded 89 Octane unleaded gasoline will give you longer run times due to
> the fact that the mixture of that grade of fuel burns at a more even rate
> and it burns cooler.  Ever seen how hot alcohol burns?  Ever seen alcohol
> burning and see the blue part of the flame?  Ever burn alcohol and NOT see
> the flame but feel the heat?

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:04:31 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Thanks Fred/acdc

Small TV's can be had to run directly on 12 volts. Car radios make super
stereos for a trailer and run directly on 12 volts DC.  There might be a
small food processor or blender that runs directly on 12 volts DC.
Lighting is easy to do on 12 volts using automotive lamps, like back up
lamps and dome lamps. Furnaces can be had to run on 12 volts DC, but
tend to be hard on the lone battery. Roof vent and water pump tend to
always run on 12 volts DC though there were some in vintage Airstreams
that ran on 12 volts DC or 18 volts AC depending on which was available.
AC was only available when plugged in.

Inverters take in DC and chop it to make AC. Often the voltage rises
internally, taking in 12 volts DC and putting out 120 volts AC. Their
efficiency is never perfect, they always put out less power than they
take in. Its most effective to run as much as possible on the battery's
12 volts DC. The low voltage lamps are a little more efficient than 120
volt lamps and a lot more rugged. Radios and TVs convert their AC input
power immediately to DC at some voltage, sometimes various voltages, and
can be made to run directly on 12 volts DC using only an inverter to
develop the really high voltage for the picture tube. And the would have
used the same inverter if power by AC.

>From a long electronics background, I don't think of a box that takes in
AC and puts out DC as a Converter. That's a name thought up on 5th
Avenue for advertising purposes. I think of that box as a power supply
unless its charging a battery, then its a battery charger.

There have been boxes that take in either 12 volts DC or 120 volts AC
and put out which ever is missing. If there's 120 volts they charge the
12 volt battery, if no 120 volts and there is a detected 120 volt AC
load, they will create 120 volts AC for that load. These are often used
in solar powered houses (sans wheels).

Useful work is measured in watts. At DC watts are volts times amps. At
AC, watts are never more than volts times amps. A given light load, say
a 50 watt lamp, draws 4.167 amps at 12 volts and its 120 volt equivalent
draws 0.4167 amps, but volts times amps in both cases is 50.

The important thing about boondocking with electric stuff and a battery
is to be frugal with the use. Use only task lighting and don't leave it
on when not needed. Accept less general lighting. Use LP for heat and
cooking. There are those that add solar panels and a couple more
batteries and with care can boondock for a long time. One battery
without a charger doesn't do so well. My vent fan takes my battery down
in two nights. I need to improve on that for the three day conventions
in the south.

A generator can charge the battery, but unless the charger is a truly
smart charger, it will tend to be slow and expensive in terms of fuel,
running time, and noise. There are poor, good, and really good battery
chargers. The poor tend to overcharge the battery and cause damage. The
good charge at a varying rate but don't overcharge. The really good
charge rapidly and thoroughly but don't overcharge. The last ones
generally have significant smarts and make the best use of generator
operating time.

Gerald J.
- -- 
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:10:00 -0700
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1969+ Entry doors

Be aware that there are three different doors between 1969 and 1993. The
earliest was a single hinge door followed by a double hinge with no window
and finally a double hinge with window.
Once the coach changed to widebody the door change again, completely.

Charlie

RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:

> If interested, contact the gentleman directly.
> RJ
>
>  ------ Forwarded Message
> From: JLRSL600@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:31:23 EST
> To: feedback@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Entry doors
>
> I have a pair of  Airstream entry doors w/ screens, they are in good
> shape.   They fit  19 69 and up. If interested,  I  am at
> rmarkrose@xxxxxxxxxx.net       Will take $500 ea.
>
> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 23:27:10 +0000
From: Hex-n-tex@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?

I can not find the archives of this "new" list serve.

I know Tom Patterson took over as server host, did he give up continuing the 
Archival service that he had done on the old VAC-list for the new service?

I find a synopsis sheet but no archives per se. 
I need the following 12 VAL-list digests
1,2,3,. 
31,32,33,34,35,36,37
68,69.

I am not sure there were ever #s 1,2,& 3.  ???

If they are to be archived in the future I can wait til then. I would prefer 
the un-edited digests if anyone has them and could ship them. Thanks in 
advance.

On a like subject I remember Tom Patterson needing a few saved VAC-list 
digests from the old list, Tom did you ever get those?
And have you ever had any luck with aquiring the very old original posts that 
even pre-dated your VAC archives? 

HeX

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:06:34 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?

All Vintage Airstream List messages up to January 1, 2003 are on the website
at http://www.tompatterson.com, as are the VAC messages and the Airstream
List (Hunter's Group) messages.  These all comprise the information that you
are looking through when you do a search on the site.

Specifically, the Vintage Airstream List messages can be found at:
http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/MHonArc/maillist.html

All of the messages from the three sources can be located by going to the
site, and clicking on "Trailers", and then on "Airstream Trailers".  The
postings follow several different formats, as I did not start using the
MHonArc program until the end of 1999.  Whatever the format however, they
are all included in the search engine results.

I have copies of all digests except for #68 and can forward them to you.
#68 was apparently quite small and only contained one or two minor postings.
There was a #3, but it only contained one post of substance which was a
welcome to the list.  Other postings were essentially test postings.

- -Tom


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Hex-n-tex@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:27 PM
Subject: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?


> I can not find the archives of this "new" list serve.
>
> I know Tom Patterson took over as server host, did he give up continuing
the
> Archival service that he had done on the old VAC-list for the new service?
>
> I find a synopsis sheet but no archives per se.
> I need the following 12 VAL-list digests
> 1,2,3,.
> 31,32,33,34,35,36,37
> 68,69.
>
> I am not sure there were ever #s 1,2,& 3.  ???
>
> If they are to be archived in the future I can wait til then. I would
prefer
> the un-edited digests if anyone has them and could ship them. Thanks in
> advance.
>
> On a like subject I remember Tom Patterson needing a few saved VAC-list
> digests from the old list, Tom did you ever get those?
> And have you ever had any luck with aquiring the very old original posts
that
> even pre-dated your VAC archives?
>
> HeX
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:09:43 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?

Super job, Tom.  Thank you !

Tom

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?


> All Vintage Airstream List messages up to January 1, 2003 are on the
website
> at http://www.tompatterson.com, as are the VAC messages and the Airstream
> List (Hunter's Group) messages.  These all comprise the information that
you
> are looking through when you do a search on the site.
>
> Specifically, the Vintage Airstream List messages can be found at:
> http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/MHonArc/maillist.html
>
> All of the messages from the three sources can be located by going to the
> site, and clicking on "Trailers", and then on "Airstream Trailers".  The
> postings follow several different formats, as I did not start using the
> MHonArc program until the end of 1999.  Whatever the format however, they
> are all included in the search engine results.
>
> I have copies of all digests except for #68 and can forward them to you.
> #68 was apparently quite small and only contained one or two minor
postings.
> There was a #3, but it only contained one post of substance which was a
> welcome to the list.  Other postings were essentially test postings.
>
> -Tom
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Hex-n-tex@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:27 PM
> Subject: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?
>
>
> > I can not find the archives of this "new" list serve.
> >
> > I know Tom Patterson took over as server host, did he give up continuing
> the
> > Archival service that he had done on the old VAC-list for the new
service?
> >
> > I find a synopsis sheet but no archives per se.
> > I need the following 12 VAL-list digests
> > 1,2,3,.
> > 31,32,33,34,35,36,37
> > 68,69.
> >
> > I am not sure there were ever #s 1,2,& 3.  ???
> >
> > If they are to be archived in the future I can wait til then. I would
> prefer
> > the un-edited digests if anyone has them and could ship them. Thanks in
> > advance.
> >
> > On a like subject I remember Tom Patterson needing a few saved VAC-list
> > digests from the old list, Tom did you ever get those?
> > And have you ever had any luck with aquiring the very old original posts
> that
> > even pre-dated your VAC archives?
> >
> > HeX
> >
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:20:58 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?

Let me change my answer a little to this posting.  #68 does exist;  it only
has one message, and that message from John Sellers, re knotted red wires is
archived on the site.

I also find that Majordomo still has all of the digests in his system.
Possibly you can download missing issues directly.  Let me get back to you
on this one.

- -Tom

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Hex-n-tex@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:27 PM
Subject: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?


> I can not find the archives of this "new" list serve.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:54:03 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?

Ok,  I set it up so anyone can get copies of the old archives.  Click on the
following link.  I will be placing a link to this page on the main archive
page.

I don't know if I will continue to provide these copies forever.  They do
take up extra space on the server, which is not a problem right now, but
could be sometime in the future.

- -Tom

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] New "VAL" list Archives ....Do they exist ?


> Let me change my answer a little to this posting.  #68 does exist;  it
only
> has one message, and that message from John Sellers, re knotted red wires
is
> archived on the site.
>
> I also find that Majordomo still has all of the digests in his system.
> Possibly you can download missing issues directly.  Let me get back to you
> on this one.
>
> -Tom

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:28:20 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: [VAL] Propane tank holder

Has anyone found a good holder or base for a single propane tank for 
mounting on the tongue?
I am planning on one tank - a 7 gallon and two 12v batteries in battery 
boxes one atop the other (with some air space between). I'd like to 
mount the tank a little lower than the two frame members that make up 
the sides of the tongue. The original mount was for two 5's I think and 
the metal was pretty spagettied and would take a good days work to get 
them even close. Besides, by using the taller 7 gallon tank with the 
batteries stacked next to it, there's enough room. I'd also like to get 
a metal cover of some sorts. Any ideas?
Jo Ann
p.s. found some small, puck-size LED fixtures at the local truck store 
that are water proof and bright. Going to put them in my closed size 
bathroom. They've come down in price a bit - got two for about $54 and 
each fixture has about 8 white bulbs in it. If they're bright enough I 
may mount a half dozen under a shelf that runs the length of the 
kitchen counter.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:26:05 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Propane tank holder

Joann,

I think your next job will call for custom welding work.  Stick to aluminum
for the tank and battery frame/s.  Surely someone can weld up an aluminum
frame from angle stock that will allow your batteries to sit side-by-side in
their cases with the small propane tank mounted above them.  That won't take
up too big of a footprint on the trailer frame.

About that swiss cheese frame?  I'd get that fixed with metal scab patches
welded to the frame.  Make sure they clean the area really well of any rust,
etc. first.  A good welder can have that frame looking like it was never a
piece of swiss cheese.

Tom
WBCCI 5303

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joann Wheatley" <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:28 PM
Subject: [VAL] Propane tank holder


> Has anyone found a good holder or base for a single propane tank for
> mounting on the tongue?
> I am planning on one tank - a 7 gallon and two 12v batteries in battery
> boxes one atop the other (with some air space between). I'd like to
> mount the tank a little lower than the two frame members that make up
> the sides of the tongue. The original mount was for two 5's I think and
> the metal was pretty spagettied and would take a good days work to get
> them even close. Besides, by using the taller 7 gallon tank with the
> batteries stacked next to it, there's enough room. I'd also like to get
> a metal cover of some sorts. Any ideas?
> Jo Ann
> p.s. found some small, puck-size LED fixtures at the local truck store
> that are water proof and bright. Going to put them in my closed size
> bathroom. They've come down in price a bit - got two for about $54 and
> each fixture has about 8 white bulbs in it. If they're bright enough I
> may mount a half dozen under a shelf that runs the length of the
> kitchen counter.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:14:20 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Propane tank holder

Thanks Tom:
    I already have a steel 7 gal tank, not aluminum. I want to mount the 
batteries one on top of the other. The old original mount was for two 
of the 5 gal tanks. Oh, the frame of the trailer isn't swiss cheese; 
it's the old tank mount that's all twisted up.
Jo Ann
On 8, Jan 2004, at 7:26 PM, T o m wrote:

> Joann,
>
> I think your next job will call for custom welding work.  Stick to 
> aluminum
> for the tank and battery frame/s.  Surely someone can weld up an 
> aluminum
> frame from angle stock that will allow your batteries to sit 
> side-by-side in
> their cases with the small propane tank mounted above them.  That 
> won't take
> up too big of a footprint on the trailer frame.
>
> About that swiss cheese frame?  I'd get that fixed with metal scab 
> patches
> welded to the frame.  Make sure they clean the area really well of any 
> rust,
> etc. first.  A good welder can have that frame looking like it was 
> never a
> piece of swiss cheese.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:24:46 -0500
From: "Peter Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Achilles Heel of EU 2000 Generator?

I've had my EU 2000 for about a year.  What a great generator!  I've used it
at 8000+ feet, in rain, snow and have left it outside in freezing weather.
Although it is a bit difficult to get started after being cold soaked all
night, it always started and worked like a charm.  I think you received a
defective generator.  I've used regular gas and higher octane.  I normally
run the higher octane in the ATVs every 2-3 tank and use the same gas in the
generator.  Hopefully you will have better luck with your unit now that it
is fixed.
Pete

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Subject: [VAL] Achilles Heel of EU 2000 Generator?


Hi all,

I recently purchased the Honda genarator, and really loved it, for two tanks
of gas.  I was running Christmas lights with it on the second tank of gas
and shut it down around around 9 PM.  A heavy fog rolled down the river, and
the snow began falling, but the generator was in a shed.  The temps dropped
from low 40's to 20's.  The next night I went to start it and something
broke.  Honda was great and fixed it under waranty.  They said the intake
valve stuck, and the rocker arm cracked.  Now they would not venture further
into what may have happened.  I may have prevented the problem by not
pulling so hard on the rope, but that's just me.  Next time I will make sure
it turns easy.

I have been using the same gas in the ATV's, and could find no water in the
gas.  My load on the generator was about 50%.  The unit was fresh from the
factory, and I did check the oil level when I recieved it.  The octane of
the gas was 86 as Honda recomends.  There was no pinging.

This generator purrs like a kitten, and service from Honda is really great
here.  I would buy again, but has anyone an idea of what may have created
this problem?  I suspect the fog, but it is a long way from the air intake
to the intake valve.

Honda had this generator fixed very fast, but winter storms hit some of the
worst roads we have in Montana, and I just got it back the other day.  Works
fine now.

Comments are appreciated...

JimW

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