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VAL Digest Tuesday, January 6 2004 Volume 01 : Number 119
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Relocating Battery Forward
[VAL] 63 Tradewind
[VAL] Central vac filters for older Airstreams?
Re: [VAL] Dexter Axle/hitch angle
[VAL] Camping spots down south some.
Re: [VAL] Central vac filters for older Airstreams?
Re: [VAL] Dexter Axle/hitch angle
[VAL] Argosy MH
Re: [VAL] 63 Tradewind
Re: [VAL] 63 Tradewind
Re: [VAL] Dexter Axle/hitch angle
Re: [VAL] Camping spots down south some.
Re: [VAL] 63 Tradewind
Re: [VAL] 63 Tradewind
Re: [VAL] Relocating Battery Forward
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 22:02:21 -0800 (PST)
From: John Leggett <pklhead2@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Relocating Battery Forward
I saw the mention of relocating a battery in a 1967 Safari.
Could you elaborate on what you did to do that? Was it simply a matter of running some
appropriately heavy lines from the existing rear compartment to the front of the trailer,
or did you reroute the new lines directly to the control panel? I'm contemplating doing
the same to eliminate the chances repeat frame separation.
Thanks,
John Leggett
WBCCI #1154
1968 Safari 22
>Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:29:29 EST
>From: M1492@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>Subject: Re: [VAL] Portable AC
>in my 67 safari, I moved the battery up behind the gas tanks, put a
>small room ac under the side couch with a 6'' stove pipe out the bottom of the
>trailer with a screen on it hooked to side of the ac, the bat door on the side of trailer is
>held open to let the hot air out.-----
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:02:44 -0800
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: [VAL] 63 Tradewind
> Thanks for the Info Colin. Before you part it out, could you measure
> the distance inboard from the wheel rim to the U bolt. Or post a
> picture of the installation?
> Jo Ann
> p.s. Did you say, "Roll Over"? Care to elaborate?
Jo Ann,
I'll take a couple of pics, measure the distance and send it to you off
list. As for the "roll over".........I bought it like that, the previous
owner bought it like that also, so I have no idea when, where or how it
happened. I did find some papers inside indicating that it had been to
Mexico City and the Yucatan at some point in it's life so you never know. It
could have a great story behind those "beauty marks". Basically, the whole
curb side is pretty scrapped up along with assorted large and small dents
all over. It even has frame separation where the tongue meets the body. It
really is a write off even from a "die hard" restorers standpoint. Don't
worry, It'll all go to good use.
Colin
PS Welcome back to the office Maurice. We've missed you.
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 09:07:57 -0700
From: Marc Bossiere <mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Central vac filters for older Airstreams?
Am I looking in vain for a filter for the central vacuum system in my 1978
Excella 31' Airstream? It was a part number 915-01, according to my Service
Manual. The internet turns up nothing after numerous searches. Is it made
any more? And if not, does anyone know of a car aircleaner which has proven
a match? It is a cylindrical paper filter, much like a car's.
Marc Bossiere
10195 S. Houghton Rd. #153
Tucson, AZ. 85747
1978 Excella
tel. 703-282-6063
mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:50:48 -0500
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dexter Axle/hitch angle
Hi Dr. G. J.,
Thanks for the suggestion that a 45degree down might be more appropriate for
the Dexter start angle. Also, there was discussion of a parking brake
option. I'm ordering the axle today with these changes from my original
specification.
I'll try to keep the list informed about what I consider to be almost a
drop-in replacement for the Henchen axle.
I kept the 10% increase in axle weight since this single axle is very close
to max personal gear. A couple hundred pounds of additional capacity means
a lot. Still not very pleased with the single axle vs the tandem as in my
'74 Argosy. The tandem arrangement handles road imperfections, etc. by
smoothing them out when bridged by the length of the tandem. I understand
you concern about the possible stiffer ride, but . . . Though it used to
be taboo, Inland RV's rep recommended this increase for Henchen axles.
I ordered the shock bracket that drops straight down from the torsion arm
and will have to make some modifications to the existing shock mount
positions to accommodate this change.
To other would-be axle replacements with Dexter, it seems that this axle is
a winner economically as compared to the Henchen.
Regards, '69
Safari, Joy
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From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dexter Axle/hitch angle
> Tongue up caused by tighter load equalizing bars, not from the hitch
> ball being higher off the ground. By itself the hitch ball height isn't
> going to affect the load transfer to the front wheels, only the tension
> set in the load equalizer bars does that. A 35-40 mph wind will affect
> the trailer and the tow vehicle. Sometimes that's enough to confuse tall
> vehicle drivers without a trailer into over control and rolling down the
> road sideways. Any thing that was just felt slightly is tolerable. You
> always want the weight at the hitch ball to be with the trailer tongue
> pushing down, that seats the ball most securely in the hitch so there's
> no looseness to let the trailer self steer.
>
> Gerald J.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:54:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Tognetti <ctognetti59@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Camping spots down south some.
Hi All,
I know it's early in the year but part of the fun in camping is the build up and planning.
So this summer the family and I would like to go south to Virginia or North Carolina for a
week or so. Looking for wooded, shaded, kid friendly, pet friendly, nice clean and cheap.
Would be fun to do hiking and site seeing. If they have a web site please list them.
Thank you in advance.
Chris
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:11:43 -0800
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Central vac filters for older Airstreams?
Marc - check out your local home center, and look at the replacement filters
for
the ShopVac or Genie brand shop vacs...
btw, i just bought a ShopVac 'Hang Up' - a compact shopvac with a plastic
wall-mount fixture that also holds the attachments; an 18' hose, and a 3.5
(peak) hp motor... it's brilliant... would make a perfect trailer central
vacuum system, taking up very little room in a closet.... around $50.
tuna
reno, nv
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From: "Marc Bossiere" <mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:07 AM
Subject: [VAL] Central vac filters for older Airstreams?
> Am I looking in vain for a filter for the central vacuum system in my 1978
> Excella 31' Airstream? It was a part number 915-01, according to my
Service
> Manual. The internet turns up nothing after numerous searches. Is it
made
> any more? And if not, does anyone know of a car aircleaner which has
proven
> a match? It is a cylindrical paper filter, much like a car's.
>
> Marc Bossiere
> 10195 S. Houghton Rd. #153
> Tucson, AZ. 85747
> 1978 Excella
>
> tel. 703-282-6063
> mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:32:59 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dexter Axle/hitch angle
I've checked my sheet found under the bed upstairs. I stick with the 45
initial drop angle, that way the extreme of trailing arm position never
gets up to 0 to run the tire into the wheel well. And that geometry does
increase the axle load rating.
Tandem equalized axles always ride easier (witness the WW2 German
command cars with tandem axles at the rear for the benefit of their
generals), but cost more to build. Double everything from axles to tires
to lug nuts. These days its hard to acquire a light weight suspension to
divvy the load between the two axles, and in the case of something like
the Caravel, the wheel wells for tandem axles would take up the space
presently occupied by furnace and refrigerator on the right side making
them hard to include while still having some counter space. The counter
space in the Caravel isn't huge already. Then for a given trailer load,
while the tandem axle arrangement does bridge road surface changes and
average them out (at least with an equalizer, I'm not so sure with the
independence of the Airstream axles where a block under one lifts the
other wheel on the same side clear of the ground), tandem axles means
twice the mass of unsuspended parts, e.g. tires, wheels, and axles which
makes the suspension system less effective. Adding unsuspended weight
does not make an improvement in ride under dynamic conditions.
Then when turning, the tandem axles have to drag the tires sideways and
some tires can't take that for long. And my visual tire pressure check
is made much less sensitive by the back up tires of the tandem axles.
Digging into my notes it looks like its Monroe that has the bracket kits
for adding shocks to the Dexter axles. I still haven't seen the kit and
I've not tried very hard.
Gerald J.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:53:09 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Argosy MH
Hi Barbara:
Still have the MH? I made the mistake of looking at the MH ads at the VAC
website the other day and your sticks in my mind for some reason.
We have a'67 A/S Safari at present and I usually only gander at the trailer
ads.
Lemme know if you would.
GQ '67 Safari
WBCCI 4082 in CA
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:55:22 +0000
From: satdjpete@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] 63 Tradewind
Nice one colin,
Pete
> > Thanks for the Info Colin. Before you part it out, could you measure
> > the distance inboard from the wheel rim to the U bolt. Or post a
> > picture of the installation?
> > Jo Ann
> > p.s. Did you say, "Roll Over"? Care to elaborate?
>
> Jo Ann,
> I'll take a couple of pics, measure the distance and send it to you off
> list. As for the "roll over".........I bought it like that, the previous
> owner bought it like that also, so I have no idea when, where or how it
> happened. I did find some papers inside indicating that it had been to
> Mexico City and the Yucatan at some point in it's life so you never know. It
> could have a great story behind those "beauty marks". Basically, the whole
> curb side is pretty scrapped up along with assorted large and small dents
> all over. It even has frame separation where the tongue meets the body. It
> really is a write off even from a "die hard" restorers standpoint. Don't
> worry, It'll all go to good use.
> Colin
> PS Welcome back to the office Maurice. We've missed you.
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:02:25 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 63 Tradewind
Hi Colin,
Keep me in mind if you have extra pieces. You mentioned that the curbside is
all scraped up, is there an aluminum louvered cover on the outside of the
fridge? My reefer is running hot and a vent would certainly help. Thanks.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT
> Jo Ann,
> I'll take a couple of pics, measure the distance and send it to you off
> list. As for the "roll over".........I bought it like that, the previous
> owner bought it like that also, so I have no idea when, where or how it
> happened. I did find some papers inside indicating that it had been to
> Mexico City and the Yucatan at some point in it's life so you never know. It
> could have a great story behind those "beauty marks". Basically, the whole
> curb side is pretty scrapped up along with assorted large and small dents
> all over. It even has frame separation where the tongue meets the body. It
> really is a write off even from a "die hard" restorers standpoint. Don't
> worry, It'll all go to good use.
> Colin
> PS Welcome back to the office Maurice. We've missed you.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:09:02 -0500
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dexter Axle/hitch angle
Hi again Dr. G.J.,
Got a call from Dexter and was informed that the parking brake isn't
available for the 45 degree down angle. I opted out of the parking brake.
However, for those interested, the 32 degree down angle will accommodate the
parking brake if the down angle will give the clearance necessary for
purpose.
Thanks for your help,
Regards, '69
Safari, Joy
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:39:50 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Camping spots down south some.
Oh Chris - consider the outer banks. Ever so beautiful.
Jo Ann
On 5, Jan 2004, at 10:54 AM, Chris Tognetti wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I know it's early in the year but part of the fun in camping is the
> build up and planning. So this summer the family and I would like to
> go south to Virginia or North Carolina for a week or so. Looking for
> wooded, shaded, kid friendly, pet friendly, nice clean and cheap.
> Would be fun to do hiking and site seeing. If they have a web site
> please list them. Thank you in advance.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:37:13 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 63 Tradewind
OK and thanks for the measurements. And let me join in welcoming
Maurice back from Mars.
Jo Ann
On 5, Jan 2004, at 9:02 AM, chyde wrote:
>> Thanks for the Info Colin. Before you part it out, could you measure
>> the distance inboard from the wheel rim to the U bolt. Or post a
>> picture of the installation?
>> Jo Ann
>> p.s. Did you say, "Roll Over"? Care to elaborate?
>
> Jo Ann,
> I'll take a couple of pics, measure the distance and send it to you off
> list. As for the "roll over".........I bought it like that, the
> previous
> owner bought it like that also, so I have no idea when, where or how it
> happened. I did find some papers inside indicating that it had been to
> Mexico City and the Yucatan at some point in it's life so you never
> know. It
> could have a great story behind those "beauty marks". Basically, the
> whole
> curb side is pretty scrapped up along with assorted large and small
> dents
> all over. It even has frame separation where the tongue meets the
> body. It
> really is a write off even from a "die hard" restorers standpoint.
> Don't
> worry, It'll all go to good use.
> Colin
> PS Welcome back to the office Maurice. We've missed you.
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:58:46 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 63 Tradewind
Brad,
Does your year trailer have a plug-type door to access from the outside, the
backside of the refrigerator?
If it does I will tell you how I cooled mine.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "Brad Norgaard" <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 63 Tradewind
> Hi Colin,
> Keep me in mind if you have extra pieces. You mentioned that the curbside
is
> all scraped up, is there an aluminum louvered cover on the outside of the
> fridge? My reefer is running hot and a vent would certainly help. Thanks.
>
> Brad Norgaard
> Phoenix
> '59 Trade Wind Twin
> VAC #2699, TCT
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:07:27 EST
From: M1492@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Relocating Battery Forward
68 is diferent than 67 i have no control pan ,
but i just ran some 4ga wire from old location to new ,
i ran it inside the trailer along the fresh h2o pipe & out the front to a
bat box on the tongue the neg (-) went to the frame in both spots
mark
67 safari
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