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VAL Digest V1 #111
VAL Digest Monday, December 29 2003 Volume 01 : Number 111
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
RE: [VAL] Traveler
[VAL] Portable AC
Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
[VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
RE: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Re: [VAL] Portable AC
Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
[VAL] Re: Reese question
Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
RE: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
[VAL] Sheet metal nuts
Re: [VAL] Sheet metal nuts
RE: [VAL] Traveler
[VAL] WasherBolt&nuts/wndwFrm
Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
Re: [VAL] Portable AC
Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
Re: [VAL] Sheet metal nuts
Re: [VAL] Sheet metal nuts
Re: [VAL] Portable AC
[VAL] Sink cover?
Re: [VAL] Sheet metal nuts
Re: [VAL] Portable AC
Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
Re: [VAL] Sink cover?
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:43:39 -0500
From: "publisher@xxxxxxxxxx.com" <publisher@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
I will be out of the office from December 15th through December 31st. Thanks.
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:17:50 -0600
From: "Buddy" <buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
I sure do miss ole Maurice, now that he is out of the office.
Buddy Atwood
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 06:48:34 EST
From: Oldguitarheel@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Man....only 3 more days till Maurice gets back.....oh happy day.........
Richard Waldrop
'71 caravel
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:03:15 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Traveler
Ken, How did the vent cover over the stove on the inside
attach?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth E. Johansen
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 10:08 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] Traveler
Jim
I used to own the 59 that is in the archives.
Ken Johansen
At 11:03 PM 12/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Jim,
>Nope mine is not the one in the archives, but my 68 Sovereign is! I did
>not know that they only made 7 or so, I think I have run into more than
>that but I could be wrong. If it is a rare unit all the work I'm
>putting into it is going to worth it! Ed
>WBCCI/VAC 4425
>68 Sovereign
>59 Traveler
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stewart
>Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 5:30 PM
>To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>Subject: [VAL] Traveler
>
>
>Ed, is your Traveler the one pictured in the Airstream archives photo
>web site? That site says there were only 7 Travelers made in 1958 & 59.
>That would make yours one of the rarest of the rare. Jim
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:56:58 -0500
From: Jerry Jarrell <jdj2@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Portable AC
> ------------------------------
> Al is right. one of the things I failed to mention. A friend
of mine who is in the refrigeration business advised the same.
So I plan to cut another hole in the plexiglas and duct it to
the AC unit. Thanks Al.... all those bitten by the Alumibug seem
keep the rest of us on the right track! :)
Jerry
57 Airstream
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:39:28 -0600
> From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #105 - Portable A/C
>
> Having only a hot air exhaust means the A/C is sucking a lot of outside
> air in through air leaks here, there and everywhere. All that hot outside
> air has to be cooled, so it really loads the system. A/C's are usually
> set up to recirculate on the interior (cooling) side, not to draw from
> outside like an automobile A/C. The unit needs to have an outside air
> intake duct along with the hot air exhaust duct.
> Al Grayson
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:01:50 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
All,
Maybe we should have a surprise welcome home party for Maurice at his
office upon his return. I'm sure he'd appreciate the thought.
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel
Santa Monica CA
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:26:41 -0500
From: Blair <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Great Idea. I'll bring the Rum Runner's
Blair
Hangin' in Key West
Because time fly's
At 11:01 AM 12/28/2003, you wrote:
>All,
>
> Maybe we should have a surprise welcome home party for Maurice at his
>office upon his return. I'm sure he'd appreciate the thought.
>
> Glyn Judson
> 1969 Caravel
> Santa Monica CA
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:57:51 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
We're close enough now to the end of the year that I not going to drop
Maurice from the list. I think you can all probably put up with three more
of these messages..........?
I do apologize, but actually, it kind of got away from me. I should have
taken him off of the list right away, but at least I think that now everyone
can see what kind of problems we get when the guidelines are not followed.
To remind you, the guidelines are posted at the following URL:
http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/VAList/guidelines.html. Probably, it
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:48:23 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Tom,
Since your post won't make it to Maurice's mailbox, you might forward it to
him after he gets back. So he'll get the idea? A little reinforcement
maybe?
Roger
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
> We're close enough now to the end of the year that I not going to drop
> Maurice from the list. I think you can all probably put up with three
more
> of these messages..........?
>
> I do apologize, but actually, it kind of got away from me. I should have
> taken him off of the list right away, but at least I think that now
everyone
> can see what kind of problems we get when the guidelines are not followed.
> To remind you, the guidelines are posted at the following URL:
> http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/VAList/guidelines.html. Probably, it
> wouln't hurt for all of us to revisit these rules.
>
> They do include the following:
>
>
> C. Managing your mail
> Due to the volume of messages that the list can generate, the
management
> of your mail can become a hitherto unanticipated consideration. The
> following points are worth bearing in mind.
>
> Suspend deliveries if you are going on vacation:
>
> Many Internet access providers place a limit on the amount of mail
they
> will store on their mail servers for you between downloads. What this
means
> is that if you go away for a few days or weeks, there is every probability
> that the volume of messages from the mailing list will fill your mailbox
to
> its limit and cause it to start rejecting messages sent to your e-mail
> address. This creates a number of problems for anybody trying to
communicate
> with you by e-mail For you, it means you may lose important mail that you
> really do need to receive. For us, it means that we get bombarded by error
> messages from your mail account; and for the people you correspond with,
> they have no way of communicating with you by e-mail - not even to tell
you
> your mailbox is full.
>
> When we discover that a mailbox is overflowing in this manner, we
> immediately remove the overflowing mail address from the mailing list.
Since
> there is no way to tell you what has happened, the only way you can detect
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:03:26 -0500
From: joepatwink@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Joe Winkler)
Subject: RE: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Tom,
You shouldn't apologize to anyone, you do a heck of a good job, I am sure that there are
few that would dare to attempt such a project. I know I would never sign on to work like
that. It is very educational and a fun way to learn so much.
Joe in Wyoming
"Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>We're close enough now to the end of the year that I not going to drop
>Maurice from the list. I think you can all probably put up with three more
>of these messages..........?
>
>I do apologize, but actually, it kind of got away from me.
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:38:17 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
I suspect that it will get to him, along with all the rest of the digests.
His messages are not bouncing.
- -Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
> Tom,
>
> Since your post won't make it to Maurice's mailbox, you might forward it
to
> him after he gets back. So he'll get the idea? A little reinforcement
> maybe?
>
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 9:57 AM
> Subject: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
>
>
> > We're close enough now to the end of the year that I not going to drop
> > Maurice from the list. I think you can all probably put up with three
> more
> > of these messages..........?
> >
> > I do apologize, but actually, it kind of got away from me. I should have
> > taken him off of the list right away, but at least I think that now
> everyone
> > can see what kind of problems we get when the guidelines are not
followed.
> > To remind you, the guidelines are posted at the following URL:
> > http://www.tompatterson.com/VAC/VAList/guidelines.html. Probably, it
> > wouln't hurt for all of us to revisit these rules.
> >
> > They do include the following:
> >
> >
> > C. Managing your mail
> > Due to the volume of messages that the list can generate, the
> management
> > of your mail can become a hitherto unanticipated consideration. The
> > following points are worth bearing in mind.
> >
> > Suspend deliveries if you are going on vacation:
> >
> > Many Internet access providers place a limit on the amount of mail
> they
> > will store on their mail servers for you between downloads. What this
> means
> > is that if you go away for a few days or weeks, there is every
probability
> > that the volume of messages from the mailing list will fill your mailbox
> to
> > its limit and cause it to start rejecting messages sent to your e-mail
> > address. This creates a number of problems for anybody trying to
> communicate
> > with you by e-mail For you, it means you may lose important mail that
you
> > really do need to receive. For us, it means that we get bombarded by
error
> > messages from your mail account; and for the people you correspond with,
> > they have no way of communicating with you by e-mail - not even to tell
> you
> > your mailbox is full.
> >
> > When we discover that a mailbox is overflowing in this manner, we
> > immediately remove the overflowing mail address from the mailing list.
> Since
> > there is no way to tell you what has happened, the only way you can
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> > that you have been removed from the list is by the fact that you no
longer
> > receive Vintage List mailings. If you want to resume your participation
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> > the list, you will have to subscribe yourself again.
> >
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> > everybody a lot of problems.
> >
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List
> > Office homepage an follow the instructions.
> >
> > To change back to receiving each posting as an e-mail upon your
> return,
> > visit the List Office homepage and follow the instructions.
> >
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> >
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> > every message posted to the list. Right there, the list traffic would
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> the
> > same auto response.
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:46:11 -0600
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Portable AC
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:56:58 -0500, Jerry Jarrell <jdj2@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>
>> Having only a hot air exhaust means the A/C is sucking a lot of outside
>> air in through air leaks here, there and everywhere. All that hot outside
>> air has to be cooled, so it really loads the system. A/C's are usually
>> set up to recirculate on the interior (cooling) side, not to draw from
>> outside like an automobile A/C. The unit needs to have an outside air
>> intake duct along with the hot air exhaust duct.
>> Al Grayson
I really would like to know more about this person's expertise, if any.
auto and RV ac units CAN exhaust and take in (fresh air exchange) outside air.
BUT, if the damper is closed, the ac unit draws in air from inside the
vehicle/trailer, runs it over the coil and then blows it back out.
NO outside air is pulled in and you certainly do not want to add an outside air
hole to your trailer.!! You do NOT want to be cooling outside mid day desert
air when you should only be cooling the air inside the trailer. Any outside air
that does get in thru leaking vents, etc is acceptable because it keeps you from
getting sick. from eveything from Legionnaire's to CO poisoning.
I would urge you to think about what some of the people - not only on this elist
but any elist - are saying and then apply some common sense. Along with that,
go to your local dealership (Ford is fine) and ask the AC guy about how the AC
works. you will quickly find out that the only fresh air vent you need is the
one the AC unit comes with. further, that inside cooling or the MAX cooling
setting, is only recirculating the air inside the vehicle.
enuff
chas
- --
Charles L Hamilton, chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net Houston, TX
WBCCI/WDCU #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
'76 Sovereign '02 E350 SD PSD, Prodigy, Pullrite
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:48:56 -0600
From: DL <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Tom, Do you think we should ALL forward him a copy of his
automatic posts?
Dean :)
On Dec 28, 2003, at 12:38 PM, Tom Patterson wrote:
> I suspect that it will get to him, along with all the rest of the
> digests.
> His messages are not bouncing.
>
> -Tom
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:28:59 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Reese question
I contacted Camping World and they agreed that a 1200 lb. weight
distribution system for a hitch weight of 680 lbs. was a mistake and
they will exchange it for the correct size. Question- should I go with
a 600 lb. or 800 lb. system? The hitch weight of the Safari is 680 and
the Flying Cloud is 275ish. I realize that I may not be able to use the
Reese for both but the 600 lb. is slightly below the 680 Safari and
more than the FC needs. I'm going to add the duel cam to the swing
bars.
Thanks for all advise!
Patti
Long Island, NY
1954 Flying Cloud
2003 Safari
02 2500 Suburban
WBCCI # 3321
Washington DC Unit
VAC
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:30:30 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
800
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 3:28 PM
Subject: [VAL] Re: Reese question
> I contacted Camping World and they agreed that a 1200 lb. weight
> distribution system for a hitch weight of 680 lbs. was a mistake and
> they will exchange it for the correct size. Question- should I go with
> a 600 lb. or 800 lb. system? The hitch weight of the Safari is 680 and
> the Flying Cloud is 275ish. I realize that I may not be able to use the
> Reese for both but the 600 lb. is slightly below the 680 Safari and
> more than the FC needs. I'm going to add the duel cam to the swing
> bars.
>
> Thanks for all advise!
>
>
> Patti
> Long Island, NY
> 1954 Flying Cloud
> 2003 Safari
> 02 2500 Suburban
> WBCCI # 3321
> Washington DC Unit
> VAC
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:11:40 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
Greetings Patti!
Good to hear that Camping World is responding to the issue.
I believe that you will likely find the 800 pound weight
distributing bars to be a good match for your Safari. My
suspicion is that you will find 500 pound bars (from a Reese
"Light-Weight" hitch system) will work better with your
Flying Cloud - - I have a set of these 500 pound
"light-weight" bars that I use with my Minuet. I use 750
(they are more than 25 years old and may be a NLA product)
pound bars with my Suburban (K2500)and Overlander (6,000
pounds Gross/750+ pounds tongue weight) and 800 pound bars
when towing with my Cadillac.
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible
> I contacted Camping World and they agreed that a 1200 lb.
> weight distribution system for a hitch weight of 680 lbs.
> was a mistake and they will exchange it for the correct
> size. Question- should I go with a 600 lb. or 800 lb.
> system? The hitch weight of the Safari is 680 and the
> Flying Cloud is 275ish. I realize that I may not be able
> to use the Reese for both but the 600 lb. is slightly
> below the 680 Safari and more than the FC needs. I'm
> going to add the duel cam to the swing bars.
>
> Thanks for all advise!
>
>
> Patti
> Long Island, NY
> 1954 Flying Cloud
> 2003 Safari
> 02 2500 Suburban
> WBCCI # 3321
> Washington DC Unit
> VAC
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:32:12 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
How long are the 500 lb. bars? Or how do you tell them apart? I don't see
any numbers on my bars and I'd like the lightest for my Bambi.
Jim
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "overlander64" <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Cc: <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
> Greetings Patti!
>
> Good to hear that Camping World is responding to the issue.
> I believe that you will likely find the 800 pound weight
> distributing bars to be a good match for your Safari. My
> suspicion is that you will find 500 pound bars (from a Reese
> "Light-Weight" hitch system) will work better with your
> Flying Cloud - - I have a set of these 500 pound
> "light-weight" bars that I use with my Minuet. I use 750
> (they are more than 25 years old and may be a NLA product)
> pound bars with my Suburban (K2500)and Overlander (6,000
> pounds Gross/750+ pounds tongue weight) and 800 pound bars
> when towing with my Cadillac.
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin D. Allen
> WBCCI/VAC #6359
> 1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
> 1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
> Convertible
> > I contacted Camping World and they agreed that a 1200 lb.
> > weight distribution system for a hitch weight of 680 lbs.
> > was a mistake and they will exchange it for the correct
> > size. Question- should I go with a 600 lb. or 800 lb.
> > system? The hitch weight of the Safari is 680 and the
> > Flying Cloud is 275ish. I realize that I may not be able
> > to use the Reese for both but the 600 lb. is slightly
> > below the 680 Safari and more than the FC needs. I'm
> > going to add the duel cam to the swing bars.
> >
> > Thanks for all advise!
> >
> >
> > Patti
> > Long Island, NY
> > 1954 Flying Cloud
> > 2003 Safari
> > 02 2500 Suburban
> > WBCCI # 3321
> > Washington DC Unit
> > VAC
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:47:32 +0000
From: satdjpete@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: RE: [VAL] Maurice Tierney Out of Office
Like none of us ever did an ooops!!!!
You continue to do the great job Tom we all apreciate it
Maurice will get enough ribbing.
Merry Christmas to you all and Continued Gods Blessings on us all.
"Here on Earth Gods work must be our own"
JFK 1961 Pete
68TW WBCCI 06385 VAC
> Tom,
> You shouldn't apologize to anyone, you do a heck of a good job, I am sure that
> there are few that would dare to attempt such a project. I know I would never
> sign on to work like that. It is very educational and a fun way to learn so
> much.
> Joe in Wyoming
> "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
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> >We're close enough now to the end of the year that I not going to drop
> >Maurice from the list. I think you can all probably put up with three more
> >of these messages..........?
> >
> >I do apologize, but actually, it kind of got away from me.
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:54:41 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
> I don't see
> any numbers on my bars and I'd like the lightest for my Bambi.
> Jim
Hey Jim:
FWIW, the 550# weight number is stamped on the round end that goes up into
the hitch trunion on my EAZ-LIFT bars. Maybe Reese is the same?
Good luck & HNY to ya,
GQ '67 Safari
4082 in CA
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:13:00 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: [VAL] Sheet metal nuts
In removing the window panes and attendant hardware from the '56
Bubble, I noticed the unique structure of the small screws and nuts
(sheet metal type) that hold the aluminum window inserts that in turn,
hold in the window glass. The screws have washer head and the nuts are
"hollow" hex nuts. I have been on the computer all afternoon trying to
find a source for the nuts - they're not U nor J nuts, just simple hex
nuts that are not solid but hollow. anyone know a source for them?
Jo Ann
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:31:13 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Sheet metal nuts
Try some aircraft supply companies that sell hardware like you need. Most
likely they will have it.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "Joann Wheatley" <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: [VAL] Sheet metal nuts
- - they're not U nor J nuts, just simple hex
> nuts that are not solid but hollow. anyone know a source for them?
> Jo Ann
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:40:41 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Traveler
Ed
It attached with two screws - right and left. I took it off ocasionally to
clean......
Ken J.
At 08:03 AM 12/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Ken, How did the vent cover over the stove on the inside
>attach?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Ed
>WBCCI/VAC 4425
>68 Sovereign
>59 Traveler
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth E. Johansen
>Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 10:08 AM
>To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>Subject: RE: [VAL] Traveler
>
>
>Jim
>
>I used to own the 59 that is in the archives.
>
>Ken Johansen
>
>At 11:03 PM 12/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hello Jim,
>>Nope mine is not the one in the archives, but my 68 Sovereign is! I did
>
>>not know that they only made 7 or so, I think I have run into more than
>
>>that but I could be wrong. If it is a rare unit all the work I'm
>>putting into it is going to worth it! Ed
>>WBCCI/VAC 4425
>>68 Sovereign
>>59 Traveler
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stewart
>>Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 5:30 PM
>>To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>Subject: [VAL] Traveler
>>
>>
>>Ed, is your Traveler the one pictured in the Airstream archives photo
>>web site? That site says there were only 7 Travelers made in 1958 & 59.
>
>>That would make yours one of the rarest of the rare. Jim
>>
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:14:03 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: [VAL] WasherBolt&nuts/wndwFrm
These are the nuts and bolts I'm trying to find for the '56 Bubble,
Tom. Can you remind me of how to post the pic please.
Jo ann
[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_0352.jpg]
WasherBolt&nuts/wndwFrm
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:04:15 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
Greetings Jim!
The 500 pound spring bars that I have are 2.5" shorter than
the 750 and 3.0" shorter than the 800 pound bars that I have
from the standard series. The 500 pound bars are also
signficantly lighter in their construction (cross-section is
noticeably thinner). In my case, the 750 and 800 pound bars
are easy to distinguis as the 750 pound bars are of the
older design that require the special saddles for the Dual
Cam Sway control while the 800 pound bars are of the new
design with the down-turned ends that do not require special
saddles for use with the Reese Dual Cam Sway control.
If you need even lighter weight distributing bars, there is
(or at least was) a 350 pound bar set available in the
ligth-weight series when I purchased mine several year ago.
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible
> How long are the 500 lb. bars? Or how do you tell them
> apart? I don't see any numbers on my bars and I'd like the
> lightest for my Bambi. Jim
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:40:46 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Portable AC
Whether an AC is recirculating inside air or not, inside it has an inlet
and an outlet. Takes in warm air, pushes out cold air. The more they are
separated the more space it cools. On the other side, e.g. outside, it
also has an inlet and an outlet. It takes in warm (atmospheric
temperature preferably) and puts out hot air. If those are not separated
the inlet air temperature rises from recirculating the hot air and the
performance goes down. If the outside inlet air gets too hot, it fails
to cool the air inside.
Fundamentally the AC takes a certain number of BTU from the inside air
and puts them (plus those added by the mechanical inefficiency of the
hardware) to the outside air. In the past a good AC might remove 3 times
as many BTU as it took electrical energy to run, under ideal conditions.
These days some do quite a bit better, but ONLY if the outside air
temperature doesn't rise from recirculating its outlet hot air.
The AC, no matter its power source, auto engine or electric power always
puts more heat into the external environment than it takes from the
cooled space. Between that and black surfaces absorbing solar heat,
cities are now heat islands in the summer running hotter temperatures
than the distant countrysides. A fundamental reason to avoid using air
conditioning. That warmed environment also leads to reduced rain down
wind from the city. Virtually all the energy we use is dissipated to the
atmosphere. Some claim that can have a greater effect on global warming
than the blanket of green house gasses.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:40:53 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
The bar lengths are the same, I think. The lighter rated bars are
thinner at all positions along the tapered steel spring. Its a straight
spring, that equalizer bar.
A Bambi may not really need them, though that depends on the tow vehicle
suspension system.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:41:03 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Sheet metal nuts
I remember seeing some of those hollow nuts years ago at a surplus store
in St. Louis, there probably still are some in my Dad's collection. I
was thinking those were threaded standard machine thread sizes. The hex
and the center were extruded with a gap in between.
There were also some locking nuts, often used for connecting rods in car
engines, really thin metal and hollow. There the thin metal was formed
to fit the threads and could have threads like those of the U or J nuts
for self tapping screws. Found them. Page 2896 of McMaster-Carr catalog
#107. The were called Palnuts. Though here the sizes are only fairly
large, not for self tapping screws. Next to them there are push
retainers for threaded studs. And on the next page, 2897 there are what
McM calls Speed Flange Nuts. also known as Palnuts. For a 6-32 they
would be catalog number 90533A111 with a flange. J nuts are on that same
page along with rectangular speed nuts that have sizes for self tapping
screws. Take a look at those.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:41:11 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Sheet metal nuts
Thanks Gerald - I finally got my hands on a McMasters-Carr catalog even
though it's 2001 vintage. What a tome it is! Their web site is a
treasure trove of course and if I order from them, I get it delivered
the next day by UPS which is fine indeed. I'll check out your
suggestion.
Jo Ann
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:39:31 -0600
From: schuetzen - RKBA! <chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Portable AC
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:40:46 -0600, "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer"
<geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>Whether an AC is recirculating inside air or not, inside it has an inlet
>and an outlet. Takes in warm air, pushes out cold air.
thanks
point I did not finish delineating clarifying...
when you recirculate air, you do NOT suck outside air into the AC unit because
the same fan sucks and at the same time, pushes the air out.
so, pressure in the cooled area stays the same.
again, do NOT go cutting outside vent holes into your trailer for ac purposes.
If you want fresh air vents, fine. imitate what you see in later trailers.
enuff
chas
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Charles L Hamilton, chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net Houston, TX
WBCCI/WDCU #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
'76 Sovereign '02 E350 SD PSD, Prodigy, Pullrite
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:59:39 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Sink cover?
All,
I keep seeing galley photos of covers over sinks. In the one referenced
below, it clearly appears to be Formica, but are there keepers on the
underside to hold it in place?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451404230&cat
egory=50063
If so, what form did they take, epoxied 1/2" plywood? Were the 1969
models so equipped?
Someone has epoxy painted all my yellow Formica surfaces a shiny beige
and I'd like to return the galley and refrigerator top surfaces to what they
were and while at it, make one of those covers if applicable.
Thanks,
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel
Santa Monica CA
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:05:18 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Sheet metal nuts
My catalog 107 shows a 2001 copyright. I don't know if I'll get a 2003
or 2004 catalog from them. They don't like to spread them out. Probably
I've not bought enough from them to pay for printing that tome yet. But
look at the pages I suggested. Palnuts I think are what you are looking
for.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:09:45 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Portable AC
But you CAN'T recirculate the OUTSIDE air that the AC needs for cooling.
It quits working when the inlet air is too hot. You still need separated
air vents for the unit to function, whether bringing in fresh air or
not. The refrigeration cycle doesn't work with really hot exhaust air
recirculation to the outside vent inlet. The machine MUST be cooled by
fresh air.
Gerald J.
schuetzen - RKBA! wrote:
>
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:40:46 -0600, "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer"
> <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>
> >Whether an AC is recirculating inside air or not, inside it has an inlet
> >and an outlet. Takes in warm air, pushes out cold air.
>
> thanks
> point I did not finish delineating clarifying...
> when you recirculate air, you do NOT suck outside air into the AC unit because
> the same fan sucks and at the same time, pushes the air out.
> so, pressure in the cooled area stays the same.
>
> again, do NOT go cutting outside vent holes into your trailer for ac purposes.
> If you want fresh air vents, fine. imitate what you see in later trailers.
>
> enuff
> chas
> --
> Charles L Hamilton, chasm@xxxxxxxxxx.net Houston, TX
> WBCCI/WDCU #1130 VAC S*M*A*R*T
> '76 Sovereign '02 E350 SD PSD, Prodigy, Pullrite
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:09:16 -0700
From: "gshippen" <gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Reese question
Dr. G and others,
I have noticed that my equalizer hitch feels differently with the tandem
axle Overlander than with the Globe Trotter. Sometimes I think the GT is
actually putting more weight on the suburban than the Overlander. However I
do believe the Overlander is beautifully balanced with its twin axles. I
buckle the GT up lighter; eight links of chain rather than the normal seven
links that I use on the Overlander. The GT still pulls better (safer) with
the equalizer than without. The Overlander stands a couple of inches higher
than the GT and therefore applies different torque on the hitch. Or so I
think.
For what its worth. GAS
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:50:27 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Sink cover?
I don't know about any "keepers" but the center portion of the cover is
thicker and it is that thicker part that drops down into the sink - keeping
it in place.
In our 1969 model Intl Ambassador we don't have these covers - we are the
3rd owners, so .... ;)
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451404230&ca
tegory=50063>
Tom
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From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 11:59 PM
Subject: [VAL] Sink cover?
> All,
>
> I keep seeing galley photos of covers over sinks. In the one
referenced
> below, it clearly appears to be Formica, but are there keepers on the
> underside to hold it in place?
> Glyn Judson
> 1969 Caravel
> Santa Monica CA
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