Go to this URL to see one, and one of it's uses: http://www.toolhawk.com/tools/General_Tools_Hand_Tools_Awls_Nail_Sets_7638.cfm Roger Roger Hightower WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT 1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD Mesa, AZ mailto:n7kt@att.net